Re: NVDA adding and changing settings
If an e-mail has been sent, the window closes and you are automatically placed where you were before you wrote, replied, to, or forwarded a message. If a message isn't able to be sent, the program opens an error window which gains focus and you can't miss it. Therefore, a sent announcement is unnecessary and presents no information that isn't obvious if you instruct the person in what to look for. Also, learning how to derive information from context and behavior is important. You won't always have someone explaining everything in every program and every new program.
But since you clearly indicate that sighted people get information when saving an already saved document again, this is a case where the screen-reader isn't presenting information that would be useful and that can't conveniently be inferred, as in the case of e-mail.
And the idea that the developers got somehow that it can't be determined when copying and pasting take place is just plain wrong. it isn't even debateable, it’s a matter of fact. JAWS knows when, and System Access knows when. I have specifically seen instances when copying didn't take place and no erroneous report was made. I don't know how this myth that the developers persist in believing got started but it has never been true.
Also, the NVDA add-on tells me accurately when copying and pasting takes place. The person who wrote the add-on believes that it doesn't for some reason but I've been using it almost daily since it came out and I've almost never seen it make a mistake.
I'm making a point of this because, since this can be accurately determined, it should be incorporated into NVDA and not left to an add-on, which a lot of people will never know exist.
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Just chiming in to give the visual perspective:
In Notepad, when pressing control+s:
- If the document has not been saved before, the "Save as" dialog appears and NVDA reports that.
- If the document has been saved previously, Notepad saves it, and NVDA does not say anything (unless you have speak command keys on, in which case NVDA reports "control+s"). Notepad does put an asterisk at the start of the filename in the title bar when a document has been edited. This disappears when the document is saved. NVDA does read this asterisk when reading the title bar.
In Word 365, when pressing control+s:
- If the document has not been saved before, a "Save this file" window appears and NVDA reports that.
- If the document has been saved previously and "AutoSave" is enabled, nothing happens and NVDA does not report anything (again unless speak command keys is on to report "control+s"). With AutoSave on, the document is saved every time any key is pressed so control+s is not needed.
- If the document has been saved previously and "AutoSave" is not enabled, the visual response is again subtle. When you open a document, or save it, the title bar notes "Filename - Saved". Once you change it, the "Saved" disappears. This gets reinstated when you save it. There is currently a known issue, I believe with the way Office is exposing the title bar. See: https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues/10150
Similar to announcing cut, copied or pasted, reporting when a document is saved is not something we would be inclined to add to NVDA UNLESS we could be sure a document had been saved. I can see the usefulness of the functionality for some users (it reminds me of how when teaching email, people often want confirmation that the email has been sent, but many email clients don't give that). For this reason, I would recommend it might be useful functionality for an add-on. Possibly Damien Garwood, developer of the ClipSpeak add-on, might be interested in adding it.
On Fri, Nov 8, 2019 at 6:14 AM Gene <gsasner@...> wrote: