locked Re: Issues:

Gene
 

there has been a change in security used on a lot of sites and a browser that old won't even load pages from a great many sites now.  I don't know enough to discuss the issue technically.  it isn't certain, but I consider it a good guess that things will change over time in such ways that even current browsers now won't be able to work with a lot of sites properly many years from now.
 
Also, I don't use JAVA unless a site requires it, but increasingly, sites require it to see all the content on the site.
 
I don't want to pursue the topic on this list because it is something that should be on the chat list or another list, but I'm saying that you are making factually incorrect statements.  You can't use old programs indefinitely. 
 
Gene
----- Original Messahge -----

From: zahra
Sent: Wednesday, November 13, 2019 8:09 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Issues:

but for firefox, even version 3.5 works!
i tried it with many websites and it worked especially for me that
deactivate javascript.
God bless you!

On 11/13/19, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:
> You may use it, whether it is a good idea or not, for awhile, it may be a
> year or two, it may be a number of years.  But at some point, it will become
> so limited in the number of sites that work with it that you will have to
> change.  As browsers age, sites change and older browsers will work with
> increasingly  less of them.  So saying that you will never change makes no
> sense.  Saying that you will use x or y as long as you can makes sense.  I'm
> not saying it makes good sense, but it makes sense in matching facts about
> long term use.
>
> Gene
> ----- Original Message -----
> Sent: Wednesday, November 13, 2019 1:01 AM
> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
> Subject: Re: [nvda] Issues:
>
>
> as i said, firefox 52.3 which is the best version for me and i use it
> forever without update.
> also, i did not experience since many versions before 50 and 52 and i
> love my condition and my achievement that which are the best for me.
> i appreciate God for his blessings and favors and never want to become
> worried myself about everythings that people tell me.
> its my decision and i believe is the best for me. thanks God and God
> bless you all!
>
> On 11/13/19, Arlene <nedster66@...> wrote:
>> My oh My! How does that person do it? Hanging onto an old xp box? Most of
>> those old boxes died! How does that person use that old clunker online?
>> As
>> my windows 7 aged, I found that firefox was getting slower and slower.  I
>> had to use it for my online course.  When that box kicked the bucket. I
>> ended here on win ten. I never installed firefox on this box like I said
>> in
>> an earlier message.  I don’t know how firefox works with win ten.  It
>> worked
>> okay when I had my old xp clunker.
>>
>>
>>
>> Sent from Mail for Windows 10
>>
>>
>>
>> From: Rosemarie Chavarria
>> Sent: November 12, 2019 8:37 AM
>> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
>> Subject: Re: [nvda] Issues:
>>
>>
>>
>> Hi, Sean,
>>
>>
>>
>> I'm in total agreement here. Not updating your screen reader or operating
>> system is the dummest thing anybody could do. If anybody refuses to
>> upgrade
>> or update a screen reader, then they're just asking for trouble.
>>
>>
>>
>> Rosemarie
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>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>>
>> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Shaun
>> Oliver
>>
>> Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2019 12:17 AM
>>
>> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
>>
>> Subject: Re: [nvda] Issues:
>>
>>
>>
>> I would like to comment here, and I hope my comments are not out of line.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Firstly, to not update your screenreader, browser or operating system is
>> inherently flawed thinking.
>>
>>
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>> Quite apart from anything else, updating these things plugs up security
>>
>> holes and exploits that were found, hense the updates in the first place.
>>
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>> While updates have their own inherent bugs, issues, holes and the like,
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>> they are constantly being plugged, patched and fixed when they are
>>
>> noticed, or insiders, beta testers and developers find or are notified
>>
>> of them.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> There are some arguments for not updating, and while they are valid,
>>
>> they are not always practical in that you become susceptible to the
>>
>> aforementioned vulnerabilities.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> In the case of windows10, it is not too much of a steep learning curb
>>
>> from windows7 and in many respects provides you with better performance
>>
>> and once you get the hang of it, a more efficient way of performing
>>
>> everyday tasks, as well as tweaking and peaking settings.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Here's where I may come under fire, because it is my personal belief,
>>
>> that to not update or patch your system, especially in this day and age,
>>
>> where crackers, and please note the term I used, as opposed to hackers,
>>
>> are also getting smarter, is the height of folly and stupidity.
>>
>>
>>
>>
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>> I appologise for my harsh words on the subject, but it behooves us as
>>
>> competent computer operators to insure our system is up to date. even if
>>
>> we are not all competent computer operators, it is on us to insure that
>>
>> someone with the requisite knowledge maintains our systems so that they
>>
>> always run smoothly and efficiently.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On 12/11/2019 18:04, zahra wrote:
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>>> i never update my browser, operating system, screen reader etc.
>>
>>>
>>
>>> On 11/12/19, Sarah k Alawami <marrie12@...> wrote:
>>
>>>> I'm using the latest firefox and don't have any crashing issues, I'd
>>>> say
>>
>>>> update and bite the bullet. You will have to anyway at some point.
>>
>>>>
>>
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>>
>>>> On 11 Nov 2019, at 19:57, zahra wrote:
>>
>>>>
>>
>>>>> hi.
>>
>>>>> which version of firefox do you use?
>>
>>>>> for myself, i promised and i have firm belief that never use more than
>>
>>>>> firefox 52.3 esr, which have everythings that i need, and i never use
>>
>>>>> firefox quantum.
>>
>>>>> i tested firefox 61.0.1 and the result was frequent crashing of
>>
>>>>> firefox which i never face in none quantum versions of firefox.
>>
>>>>>
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>>>>> On 11/12/19, Ibrahim Ajayi <kobisko@...> wrote:
>>
>>>>>> Hi good people:
>>
>>>>>> I am having two different problems which I will like you chas to
>>
>>>>>> address.
>>
>>>>>> The first problem is with the NVDA screen reader itself.
>>
>>>>>> When I start my computer, and the screen reader turns up, and I hear
>>
>>>>>> "loading NVDA please wait:" nothing comes up again.  I have to press
>>
>>>>>> the key combination alttab twice to get back to NVDA, to hear
>>
>>>>>> "welcome
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>>>>>> to NVDA dialog.  What exactly is happening here:
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>>>>>>   Added to that, It is just too slow, when I am working on the
>>
>>>>>> internet.  Many times, it crashes when i am on a website, and I have
>>
>>>>>> to go back to the desktop, to start it again.
>>
>>>>>> Sometimes, it take for ever for it to start reading a website.  It
>>
>>>>>> sometimes crashes the site, and never gets to read anything.  All I
>>
>>>>>> hear is Icon Icon.
>>
>>>>>> Is there anything I can do to fix this problem? I have NVDA 2019.2 on
>>
>>>>>> my computer.
>>
>>>>>> I preferrably use Mozilla firefox as my browser.
>>
>>>>>> The second issue or problem is this:
>>
>>>>>> When I download a program and I attempt to install it, all I hear is
>>
>>>>>> the program name mentioned, then set up, and nothing gets set up.
>>
>>>>>> I hope this particular problem is well understood.
>>
>>>>>> How can I get to set up these programs when I hear set up, and after
>>
>>>>>> a
>>
>>>>>> long wait, nothing gets set up or installed.
>>
>>>>>> I need help with both issues.
>>
>>>>>> Kind regards.
>>
>>>>>> Ibrahim.
>>
>>>>>>
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>>>>>>
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>>>>>>
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>>>>>>
>>
>>>>>
>>
>>>>> --
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>>>>> By God,
>>
>>>>> were I given all the seven heavens
>>
>>>>> with all they contain
>>
>>>>> in order that
>>
>>>>> I may disobey God
>>
>>>>> by depriving an ant
>>
>>>>> from the husk of a grain of barley,
>>
>>>>> I would not do it.
>>
>>>>> imam ali
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> --
> By God,
> were I given all the seven heavens
> with all they contain
> in order that
> I may disobey God
> by depriving an ant
> from the husk of a grain of barley,
> I would not do it.
> imam ali
>
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>


--
By God,
were I given all the seven heavens
with all they contain
in order that
I may disobey God
by depriving an ant
from the husk of a grain of barley,
I would not do it.
imam ali


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