Re: Question re. add-on ClipSpeak (was: [nvda] Keynote for NVDA)

Gene
 

As far as I know, we are talking about the add-on that tries to determine when something is copied and pasted, not the one that just says something because you press a keyboard command.  Ive been using the add-on that monitors the clipboard since it came out, perhaps three years ago.  I have found it almost completely accurate.  It is far more accurate than not knowing if the command was carried out with no feedback.  I may have found it to be wrong perhaps five or ten times in all that time.  I don't consider that to be sufficient justification for not incorporating it into the core.  That's almost insignificant.  And if it has been wrong, it usually says no change.  At such times, when working with a document, you can tell if copying or cutting took place by looking at the document.  When working with files, you can simply perform the action again.  That's a lot more convenient than thinking you copied files to the clipboard, pasting them, and finding you just pasted all the same files you pasted immediately before.  And if it can be improved to make it even more accurate, that could be done while incorporating it. 
 
You don't expect absolute perfection everywhere and yet you wouldn't dream of not allowing the screen-reader to function in those cases.  I use a web site where a line of text is spoken by one combination of NVDA and a browser and not spoken when using another browser.  At times, one combination of NVDA and a web page will say one thing on a button and something else when using another browser.  They may mean the same thing, but even so, absolute perfection is not demanded. 
 
Sometimes, if you let perfection not allow the good or very good, you defeat yourself and are worse off.
 
Gene
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From: Joseph Lee
Sent: Sunday, November 17, 2019 5:02 AM
Subject: Re: Question re. add-on ClipSpeak (was: [nvda] Keynote for NVDA)

Hi,

No, not ready for Python 3 just yet. Also note that not all clipboard operations will be announced – the add-on will tell you something was copied, but that doesn’t mean things will get copied in every situation.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Cordelia Scharpf
Sent: Sunday, November 17, 2019 2:59 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Question re. add-on ClipSpeak (was: [nvda] Keynote for NVDA)

 

Hi, Sky:

I second your request for incorporating the ClipSpeak add-on into the core of NVDA. Thanks for alerting me to it. This add-on is very useful, and its “actions” are also presented on Braille displays. Is it already compatible with Python 3?

 

Best,

Cordelia

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Shaun Everiss
Sent: Sunday, November 17, 2019 11:37 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [Spam] Re: [nvda] Keynote for NVDA

 

It sounds like you guys are having a really cool time, sadly, the days the conference is on are my weekend.

And I can't sit in front of a device all day long so I will have to listen to recordings like allways.

 

 

On 17/11/2019 7:51 pm, Sky Mundell wrote:

Hello everybody and the NVDA Conference folks. Sky here. I wanted to let you guys know that I went on TeamTalk and listened to the keynote, and it was the greatest keynote I ever heard! I am also very happy that it is being sustainable for the future and so on and so forth. As an adaptive technology specialist training blind folks how to use screen reading software I can tell you folks that I defenatly do training on NVDA, and my clients enjoy it too!  however, I am finding a shortcoming with it that I think could be addressed in future versions, and I will list it below.

Often times when I train on NVDA, one of the first things I will do is I will download the clipboard speak add-on, so that the client knows when they have copied text to the clipboard. Is there any chance that this function could be put into the core? The reason is that it would save myself from having to add the function and it would also help some of my less technically minded clients. Because often times, as we all know, the less technically minded clients want things to be able to work straight out of the box, and they’re not going to fight with their screen reader just to get something to work. Thanks, Sky.

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