Re: Windows 10 App Essentials 19.11.3 #addonrelease

 

Hi,

All your user settings (except ones told to come up in secure screens) will be preserved. After removing NVDA, restart. Then install NVDA, then do a second restart just to make sure. Then see if NVDA now says it’s running on Windows 10. Failing that, we may need to look into compatibility settings for nvda.exe.

Technical details: Microsoft has deprecated a function called “VersionInfoEx” in Windows 8, preferring to use version information functions for each supported Windows release. In order to fully take advantage of this and to let Windows know that an application is compatible with Windows 8.1 and 10 (including server counterparts), an app must come with a manifest declaring support for Windows 8.1 and 10. Without this manifest information present, Windows will tell an app that it is running on Windows 8 even though you are using Windows 8.1 and 10.

In case of NVDA, this manifest is required because of Python. Python 2.7 (NVDA 2019.2.1 and earlier) will assume it is running on Windows 8 (because Windows said so) because it does not include compatibility manifest information for later Windows releases by default (I added compatibility information for Windows 10 back in 2014). This does not affect Python 3 (NVDA 2019.3 or later) because Python 3 does include compatibility manifest for Windows 8.1 and 10.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gary Metzler
Sent: Thursday, November 28, 2019 10:01 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Windows 10 App Essentials 19.11.3 #AddonRelease

 

Hi Joseph,

 

I did as you suggested but, I still get version 8.  What can I do to preserve all my settings and addons after I wipe out nvda?  Thanks for all your help.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Joseph Lee
Sent: Thursday, November 28, 2019 12:20 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Windows 10 App Essentials 19.11.3 #AddonRelease

 

Hi,

Ah, this explains it – somehow, NVDA was told to run in compatibility mode. Without intervention, Python 2.7 will assume it is running on Windows 8 when in fact you might be using Windows 10. Can you try the following for me:

  1. Restart with all add-ons disabled.
  2. Listen carefully to which synthesizer is now in use; if it is Espeak, then you will need to reinstall NVDA from scratch; if it is Windows OneCore, chances are that there might be an add-on other than Windows 10 App Essentials and Add-on Updater that messed up NVDA’s manifest information.

 

If OneCore comes up, restart NVDA with partial add-on functionality. To do so:

  1. Open Add-ons Manager (NVDA menu/Tools/Manage add-ons).
  2. Disable one add-on at a time and restart NVDA after disabling each one. Do not disable Resource Monitor as we need it to check Windows version.
  3. After disabling an add-on and restarting NVDA, press NVDA+Shift+Number row 6 to verify that you are using Windows 10.
  4. As soon as you find that NVDA says Windows 10, thee the just disabled add-on might be to blame.
  5. To verify step 4, enable all add-ons except the offending one and see if NVDA now reports itself as running on Windows 10.

 

If this does not help, reinstall NVDA from scratch.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gary Metzler
Sent: Thursday, November 28, 2019 8:58 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Windows 10 App Essentials 19.11.3 #AddonRelease

 

Hi Joseph,

 

When I press nvda shift plus 6 it says windows 8 64 bit.  I hope this helps.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Joseph Lee
Sent: Thursday, November 28, 2019 9:49 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Windows 10 App Essentials 19.11.3 #AddonRelease

 

Hi,

You may need to manually type these lines into Python Console.

Another approach: if you have Resource Monitor (hopefully latest stable release), press NVDA+Shift+Number row 6 and see what NVDA says about Windows version.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gary Metzler
Sent: Thursday, November 28, 2019 6:27 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Windows 10 App Essentials 19.11.3 #AddonRelease

 

Hi Jacob,

 

What I did was copy and paste the lines just as Joseph typed them.

 

Jacob Kruger
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"Resistance is futile...but, acceptance is versatile..."

On 2019-11-28 10:23 AM, Gary Metzler wrote:

Hi Joseph,

 

After I enter each line I get the error win version not defined.

I hope this helps.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Joseph Lee
Sent: Wednesday, November 27, 2019 7:03 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Windows 10 App Essentials 19.11.3 #AddonRelease

 

Hi,

Hmmm, you get “False” when you’ve got 1909… Let’s try this method:

 

  1. Go back to Python Console (Control+NVDA+Z).
  2. Type the following as exactly as shown (press Enter after each line and listen carefully to what NVDA says):

 

import winVersion

winVersion.winVersion

winVersion.isWin10()

winVersion.isWin10(version=1607)

winVersion.isWin10(version=1709)

winVersion.isWin10(version=1803)

winVersion.isWin10(version=1809)

 

NVDA will first announce Windows version information (major, minor, build, platform, service pack), then for each Windows 10 release we have, “True” or “False”.

Cheers,

Joseph

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gary Metzler
Sent: Wednesday, November 27, 2019 3:45 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Windows 10 App Essentials 19.11.3 #AddonRelease

 

Hi Joseph,

 

I did what you suggested and I get a false response.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Joseph Lee
Sent: Wednesday, November 27, 2019 6:32 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Windows 10 App Essentials 19.11.3 #AddonRelease

 

Hi,

That’s strange. Let’s try:

  1. Open Python Console (Control+NVDA+Z).
  2. Type the following as exactly as I tell you:

 

import winVersion

winVersion.isWin10(version=1809)

 

Press Enter after each line. If it says “True”, then there should not be a reason for Windows 10 App Essentials to complain that you’ve got an older Windows release.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gary Metzler
Sent: Wednesday, November 27, 2019 3:26 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Windows 10 App Essentials 19.11.3 #AddonRelease

 

Hi Joseph,

 

I got the add on manually but, when I went to install it it said I was using an older version of windows.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Joseph Lee
Sent: Wednesday, November 27, 2019 6:14 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Windows 10 App Essentials 19.11.3 #AddonRelease

 

Hi,

Actually, it is compatible with 1809 and later. I’m beginning to wonder if this affects anyone using Add-on Updater, and if this is the case, it isn’t Windows 10 App Essentials at all.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Joseph Lee via Groups.Io
Sent: Wednesday, November 27, 2019 3:09 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Windows 10 App Essentials 19.11.3 #AddonRelease

 

Hi,

I think I know why – I’ll go ahead and release another version in a few moments. Sorry about that.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gary Metzler
Sent: Wednesday, November 27, 2019 3:07 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Windows 10 App Essentials 19.11.3 #AddonRelease

 

Hi Joseph,

 

I’m sorry to say I am getting the error not compatible with this version of windows.  I am using windows 10 1909 and the latest nvda.  

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Joseph Lee
Sent: Wednesday, November 27, 2019 2:38 PM
To: nvda-addons@nvda-addons.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Windows 10 App Essentials 19.11.3 #AddonRelease

 

Hi all,

 

In a few moments Windows 10 App Essentials 19.11.3 will be made available. This release is a localization and documentation update.

 

A few important notes:

 

  • Windows 10 20H1 is now formally known as Version 2004. Although Windows 10 App Essentials does support Version 2004, formal support won’t begin until early next year.
  • A version scheduled for early next year will retire support for EdgeHTML-based Microsoft Edge from this add-on.

 

Cheers,

Joseph

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