Re: Using NVDA on a tablet.


John Isige
 

So I tried putting my surface into tablet mode. If I'm using it normally, I can move around the touch screen and find qRead and double tap it, and the window will open. If it's in tablet mode though, I get qRead as a running window at the bottom of the screen as a button with a submenu. If I double tap that, it says pressed, but I don't see anything new, just the start menu with the tiles. Am I missing something? How am I supposed to get to things, e.g. the desktop or what have you? I generally get using touch gestures on NVDA, but I'm clearly missing something when trying to use the Surface purely as a tablet. In theory if I have qRead open I can get into the window and do a three finger flick down to start reading, since I've got enhanced touch installed. But I am clearly missing something about Windows' tablet mode.

On 12/17/2019 23:35, Joseph Lee wrote:
Hi,
Ah, touchscreens...
1. Moving around text inside a window: this is done with what's called "text mode" (you can toggle between at least two touch modes by doing a three finger single tap; I'll explain why I said "at least two modes" below). In text mode, one finger flick right or left will move to next or previous character, two finger flick right or left will move to next or previous word, and one finger flick down or up will move to next or previous line. This is in relation to review cursor.
2. Thunderbird email entries: if the logic from other email clients is applicable, then yes, you can move between messages by using one finger flick left or right in object mode.
3. Touchscreen tutorial: already covered by yours truly as part of Welcome to NVDA series.

As for my remark on touch modes above: yes, I did say "at least two modes". The reason: Enhanced Touch Gestures add-on (I know, I find myself advertising my add-ons on a monthly basis...). IN addition to text and object modes, Enhanced Touch Gestures adds two additional touch modes:
* Synth settings: used to change synthesizer settings on the fly such as rate and voice (two finger flick left or right to step through settings, two finger flick up or down to change settings).
* Web: used to navigate between different web elements (one finger flick up or down to go through web elements (regular/normal, headings, links, form fields, frames, tables, landmarks), one finger flick left or right to move amongst elements).
But that's a small taste of what that add-on can do (it is perhaps one of the most powerful add-ons out there besides Remote and Windows 10 App Essentials).
Cheers,
JOseph

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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of John Isige
Sent: Tuesday, December 17, 2019 9:13 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Using NVDA on a tablet.

Hey all. I know this has been talked about in here before, but it seems to have been pretty brief. I don't want a whole crash course on using a tablet, I'll keep it to a simple use case.


I have QRead, or Notepad, or whatever open with some text. I pull the tablet off of the keyboard, so now it's a tablet, it's a Surface Pro, if that matters. I can move around on the desktop or whatever to get to a program, and double tap it, and it will open. I still haven't figured out if that puts me in its window, so let's say the window's already open. How do I:


1. Get to the window, and put focus in the window?


2. Make the window read, i.e. a say-all, the equivalent of NVDA-a in the laptop layout? I assume touching anywhere on the screen will stop it.


I've briefly tried messing with this, and although I get the basic
swiping to objects and such, I still haven't figured out what happens
once an object is active, lie what I'm talking about here. I don't know
how to get inside of it and manipulate the insides, so to speak, with
touch gestures. As another example, assume I open Thunderbird. I'm not
sure the individual messages get treated as objects, do they?


If somebody can cover this use case, I can start playing with things,
and I can see about making a tutorial, at least in text and possibly
audio, since I know I'm not the only person to ask about this.





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