Re: nvda in safe mode


Again, I am not talking about system restore per se.  II'm talking about shadow copy, which is not the same as running system restore.  and system restore can restore system and program files.  There are times when it is perfectly appropriate to use it.

----- Original Message -----
From: Jackie
Sent: Sunday, January 26, 2020 3:59 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] nvda in safe mode

System restore will not restore user files. It doesn't touch them. All
you'll do is make additional writes to your hard drive, rendering any
possibility of file recovery more problematic than it already is.

On 1/26/20, Oriana <o.neulinger@...> wrote:
> I would recommend hiring or at least getting the advice of a local PC
> repair technician, or if the PC is under warranty contacting the
> manufacturer. As someone else said, it's a bad idea to do anything that
> will cause writes to the hard drive. This may include system restore
> (which, although ymmv, has never restored user files for me). The command
> line definitely bypasses the recycle bin, so the only way i know of to
> recover any of the files is to use one of the programs that takes advantage
> of hardware limitations - when windows deletes a file, what it actually
> does is delete the index indicating that the file exists. The data is still
> stored on your hard drive, but windows can't tell that it's there, so it
> will begin writing over the data. "Data Recovery" programs such as
> CCleaner's Recuva (accessibility unknown, but it claims to be able to
> restore data from even a reformatted drive, and it's free) will restore
> those index files or copy the data over to USB drives/optical storage (CDs,
> DVDs). I recommend the latter, obviously, in order to prevent Windows from
> writing over the top of any file.
> On Sun, Jan 26, 2020, 3:51 PM Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:
>> I just did a little looking online.  I found information relating to
>> using
>> cmd in XP but in the small amount of searching I did, nothing that
>> discussed Windows 10.  But I don't see why this would have changed.  The
>> del command in XP doesn't send files to the recycle bin.  it just deletes
>> them.  I read parts of one or two discussions about how to have files
>> sent
>> to the recycle bin when using cmd but they were for XP, and other old
>> versions of Windows.  What is discussed may apply to Windows 10 but I
>> don't
>> know.
>> Evidently it isn't the use of a batch file that causes this behavior, as
>> I
>> thought, but use of the del command either manually entered or in a batch
>> file, if nothing is done to change this behavior.
>> Gene
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> *From:* Gene <gsasner@...>
>> *Sent:* Sunday, January 26, 2020 2:25 PM
>> *To:*
>> *Subject:* Re: [nvda] nvda in safe mode
>> If I understand your message, you want to use the recycle bin.  This has
>> nothing to do with safe mode.  The recycle bin is where files are sent
>> when
>> deleted in the ordinary way.  If they are there, you can open the recycle
>> bin and you will see them.  You can restore them from the recycle bin.
>> If
>> you want to do something else, we can discuss that.  If you have system
>> Restore on and you have restore points, I would expect that you can do
>> the
>> same thing in Windows 10 as in Windows 7.  System Restore, by default,
>> backs up all your files.  The feature is called Shadow Copy but in
>> Windows
>> 7, if you use it, it is called previous versions and it is in the
>> properties of the drive, or of a folder or file.
>> If the files aren't available in the recycle bin and they aren't in
>> Shadow
>> Copy, you would have to use some sort of undelete program and I don't
>> know
>> which ones work well or if they work as well as desired.
>> I suspect, however, though I don't know this, that when you delete files
>> using a batch file, they aren't sent to the recycle bin.  I'm not sure
>> why
>> I think that, but I believe that is the case.
>> Gene
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> *From:* Martin McCormick <martin.m@...>
>> *Sent:* Sunday, January 26, 2020 12:34 PM
>> *To:*
>> *Subject:* [nvda] nvda in safe mode
>> I had an accident yesterday when a batch file appears to
>> have deleted all the files in my c:\users\martin directory with
>> maybe the exception of a few.  A del  *.* that was supposed to
>> clean out a single folder deleted everything because it was
>> supposed to start in 1 specific directory but instead launched on
>> my whole file tree starting at c:\users\martin.
>> del /q/f/s *.*
>> I can log in just fine but if I run the cmd command or
>> powershell, I start out in c:\windows\system32 so a file that
>> tells the system my path was one of the casualties.
>> I know that deleting a file sends it to the recycle bin
>> so if I can recover those files that were deleted yesterday,
>> things should be good again but with even minor disasters, things
>> are all ways served with a touch of nasty sauce.
>> If I go to c:\users\martin, the directory is there along
>> with all the subdirectories but they are either all empty or
>> close to it.
>> I have opened the recycle bin but haven't found any
>> buttons that start the process of recovering the files that
>> should have gone there.
>> Since I normally work in unix, I have used this Windows
>> system primarily for it's browsers and to program two-way radios
>> whose programming software is only found under Windows so there
>> is about 60 GB out of close to 1 TB that is used.
>> Apparently, the best way to recover these files is in
>> Safe mode so my question is Does NVDA or narrator start in Safe
>> Mode yet?
>> If there is a way to tell the system to rebuild the lost
>> part of my home directory, this would do also as most of what was
>> lost is  stuff that came with the installation as there were a
>> couple of replaceable files in Downloads and everything else was
>> either self-generated or can be rebuilt fairly easily.
>> This is no excuse but that is partly why I didn't have a
>> backup system going yet but was going to set one up very soon.
>> After this mishap, it will be sooner.
>> I am running Windows10 1809 with a build number of
>> 1763.9-something
>> In Safe Mode, one can even use the command line to grab
>> files out of c:\$Recycle.Bin but when logged in as me, which is
>> the admin account, one can see $Recycle.Bin but listing it
>> yields a "File not found" error for the whole directory.
>> It's amazing what stupid things we can do when a bit
>> tired and in a hurry.
>> Martin

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