Re: Donation Too nerve wracking


The problem is that too many, I think assume a lack of skill, when at
least part of the problem may indeed be due to implementation.

On 2/10/20, Gene <> wrote:
You are talking about implementation. You didn't comment on the process of
filling out the actual fields of the form, which is what I was discussing.
If implementation is poor, that should be addressed.

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From: Jackie
Sent: Monday, February 10, 2020 3:09 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Donation Too nerve wracking

Actually, the form IMO, is a little bit difficult to use, & I am a
professional at this, both as a website hosting provider, designer,
developer, & technician as well as a computer repair technician
trained in computer forensics. So if you want to comment that it's a
question of skill level in my case, then fire away, but... The problem
is that once you pick a custom donation, go to paypal, & donate,
you're not returned to a page w/a download link/button. What I do is
just close everything out, go back to the check for updates page in
the NVDA help menu, then skip the donation & download & install the
update. But it is a little clunky, & I could see where some could find
the whole process confusing. If nothing else, it takes far more time
than it should.

I also think that some folks would find an edit field as opposed to a
spin edit field as a part of the fieldset for the custom donation
radio button less confusing. I understand the number can just be
edited, (or spun, according to operator preference), but that's not
something everyone understands.

On 2/10/20, Gene <> wrote:
Please consider the context and see what message is below the one you are
responding to. the comment had nothing to do with your post. it was
directed to another list member who made a comment about the form.

In addition, it isn't a question of presenting skill challenges. If
has problems working with radio buttons, they will have problems on all
sorts of forms where they are used.

There is nothing on the form that is exceptionally difficult. In my
opinion, the answer is not to dumb down the form. The answer is to
a link with instructions for those who don't know how to work with the
Doing everything for people leaves them unable to do anything. Teaching
people increases confidence, increases their ability to do more, and will
help them in the future. And that's why I sent a teaching message.

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From: David Griffith
Sent: Monday, February 10, 2020 2:27 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Donation Too nerve wracking

I hesitated to make the first comment as I knew it would attract
of the skill level of people encountering difficulties of this kind on

However for a final comment I would still say that presenting skill
challenges for people on a donation page seems an odd approach, even if
pointing this out draws some disparaging remarks on skill levels of a
of this kind.

I will hold on any further comment now.

David Griffith

From: <> On Behalf Of Tyler Spivey
Sent: 10 February 2020 18:35
Subject: Re: [nvda] Donation Too nerve wracking

That's simply because you don't understand how it works. Of course the
custom donation button is going to do that, because you left 200 in the
box before it.

On 2/10/2020 10:27 AM, Robert Kingett wrote:

Unfortunately, the one time custom donation button leads straight to
PayPal with a $200 default value. NV Access should fix that at some
But the bit I said about the recurring donations still stands. After
adjusting the value via the keyboard, that gets entered into PayPal.

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