One thing I haven't examined yet fully, but which I
think is the case from what I looked at, is that if someone tabs through the
radio buttons, which they shouldn't do on an unfamiliar form, only the radio
button will be announced and not the associated text. Someone who knows
how to work with forms well won't find this a problem but a lot of blind people
don't know how to work with forms well. If this were changed, it would
make it easier for those who aren't good at filling out forms.
That still doesn't tell people if they are in the
one time donation or the recurring donation part of the form. The only way
I can see as I think about it now, though there may be others, is to have the
form divided with links telling people what they will be working with.
In other words, at the start of the form, a link
would say something like click here to make a one time donation. On the
line below, there would be a link that says click here to make a monthly
As things are now, these parts of the form are on
the same page with text telling people where they are. But a lot of blind
people tab through a form or through most of it. That is, I believe, the
result of poor instruction or of people just picking things up as they go.
The form designers need to decide if they want to
help people learn to use forms with instructions and keeping the form as it is,
or if they want to make the form useable by people who just tab through
Earlier, I said that the form should not be dumbed
down. But on reflection, I'll say that it depends on what the designers
want to do, to educate in that context or make something so easy to use that it
takes nothing but tabbing.
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Sent: Monday, February 10, 2020 4:58 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Donation Too nerve wracking
Please explain how the form is badly designed. It can't be simpler.
You need to select what type of donation you want. Either you have a set of
radio buttons on the Download page, or a set of buttons on the donate page.
On 2/10/2020 2:46 PM, James Bentley wrote:
I’m not certain as to who is saying the phrase, “kiss of
death” but I agree.
It took me well over a year to finally finally set up a
small monthly donation to NVDA. I wonder how many dollars are not
getting where they need to go because of a combination of persons with less PC
skills and apparently, a web designer or, at least the form designer also
having less skills.
We need NVDA to grow world wide so more persons will
have free access to NVDA.
I use Jaws and Narrator too but, NVDA needs to
prosper. I hope some one will fix this unnecessary complicated
From: email@example.com <firstname.lastname@example.org> On Behalf
Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Monday, February 10, 2020 3:40
Re: [nvda] Donation Too nerve wracking
On Mon, Feb 10, 2020 at 04:34 PM, Jackie wrote:
The problem is that too many, I think assume a lack of
skill, when at least part of the problem may indeed be due to
And, in this case, it seems to be a combination of both,
which is often the absolute kiss of death.
Brian - Windows
10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build
Power is being told you're not loved
and not being destroyed by it.