NVA says they are buttons not radio buttons so can be skipped down by the
If you then say pick one that you can donate to monthly mine is setup to do
with pay pal which I think was one of the options then just a matter of
signing in and paying that way.
I see where the problem comes in is a once off donation when it takes you
to the next screen you can not edit the amount so most people would stop there
and go no further If i did say then go to donate i would be guessing it was
the 200 not the lets say 10 bucks.
I would not go any further so no donation that way.
One thing I haven't examined yet fully, but
which I think is the case from what I looked at, is that if someone tabs
through the radio buttons, which they shouldn't do on an unfamiliar form,
only the radio button will be announced and not the associated text.
Someone who knows how to work with forms well won't find this a problem but
a lot of blind people don't know how to work with forms well. If this
were changed, it would make it easier for those who aren't good at filling
That still doesn't tell people if they are in
the one time donation or the recurring donation part of the form. The
only way I can see as I think about it now, though there may be others, is
to have the form divided with links telling people what they will be working
In other words, at the start of the form, a
link would say something like click here to make a one time donation.
On the line below, there would be a link that says click here to make a
As things are now, these parts of the form are
on the same page with text telling people where they are. But a lot of
blind people tab through a form or through most of it. That is, I
believe, the result of poor instruction or of people just picking things up
as they go.
The form designers need to decide if they want
to help people learn to use forms with instructions and keeping the form as
it is, or if they want to make the form useable by people who just tab
Earlier, I said that the form should not be
dumbed down. But on reflection, I'll say that it depends on what the
designers want to do, to educate in that context or make something so easy
to use that it takes nothing but tabbing.
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, February 10, 2020 4:58 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Donation Too nerve
Please explain how the form is badly designed. It can't be simpler.
You need to select what type of donation you want. Either you have a set
of radio buttons on the Download page, or a set of buttons on the donate
On 2/10/2020 2:46 PM, James Bentley
I’m not certain as to who is saying the phrase, “kiss
of death” but I agree.
It took me well over a year to finally finally set up a
small monthly donation to NVDA. I wonder how many dollars are not
getting where they need to go because of a combination of persons with
less PC skills and apparently, a web designer or, at least the form
designer also having less skills.
We need NVDA to grow world wide so more persons will
have free access to NVDA.
I use Jaws and Narrator too but, NVDA needs to
prosper. I hope some one will fix this unnecessary complicated
From: firstname.lastname@example.org <email@example.com> On Behalf Of
Sent: Monday, February 10, 2020 3:40
[nvda] Donation Too nerve wracking
On Mon, Feb 10, 2020 at 04:34 PM, Jackie wrote:
The problem is that too many, I think assume a lack
of skill, when at least part of the problem may indeed be due to
And, in this case, it seems to be a combination of
both, which is often the absolute kiss of death.
Brian - Windows
10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build
Power is being told you're not
loved and not being destroyed by it.