Re: Donation Too nerve wracking


They are completely different pages and they take you to different Pay Pal pages as well.  While it might make sense to have a page geared more toward the general public and a page you get to when downloading the browser, you should get to the same donate page after looking at the introductory material. 
Also, the page you get to using the donate link in the screen-reader doesn't have a way to give other amounts than the preselected ones.  There are so many selections this may not matter, but even so, one page doesn't and the other page does.
Neither Pay Pal page allows you to change the amount, but one NVDA page allows you to set your own rate if you wish and the other page doesn't.
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Sent: Monday, February 10, 2020 8:17 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Donation Too nerve wracking

Hi Gene

It looks as though there are different results depending which way you go in.

For example from the screen reader and I think the donate link on there website it shows buttons and it is the one off donation when it takes you to another page you can not edit.

But if you look say under the down load link page they show as radio buttons and if you pick one off donation it will let you edit the amount to donate but then nothing after that even if you press the enter key there does not seem to be even a button there to do that.

i can see why people are having problems.

I reported the other 2 to quenton but when he replies also add in the one from the down load page which reports differently.

you can have a sus to see what I mean.

Gene nz

On 11/02/2020 2:54 pm, Gene wrote:
I don't know what part of the form you are working with.  if you start with the donate form on the page that discusses downloading and askks users to donate, they are radio buttons.  But I don't know where you are looking.  and I can move through them with r.
Are you on a page you get to after you follow the download button and are on the page where you continue after making your selection on the first page? 
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Sent: Monday, February 10, 2020 7:12 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Donation Too nerve wracking

Hi Gene

NVA says they are buttons not radio buttons so can be skipped down by the letter B

If you then say pick one that you can donate to monthly mine is setup to do with pay pal which I think was one of the options then just a matter of signing in and paying that way.

I see where the problem comes in is a once off donation when it takes you to the next screen you can not edit the amount so most people would stop there and go no further If i did say then go to donate i would be guessing it was the 200 not the lets say 10 bucks.

I would not go any further so no donation that way.

Gene nz

On 11/02/2020 1:27 pm, Gene wrote:
One thing I haven't examined yet fully, but which I think is the case from what I looked at, is that if someone tabs through the radio buttons, which they shouldn't do on an unfamiliar form, only the radio button will be announced and not the associated text.  Someone who knows how to work with forms well won't find this a problem but a lot of blind people don't know how to work with forms well.  If this were changed, it would make it easier for those who aren't good at filling out forms. 
That still doesn't tell people if they are in the one time donation or the recurring donation part of the form.  The only way I can see as I think about it now, though there may be others, is to have the form divided with links telling people what they will be working with. 
In other words, at the start of the form, a link would say something like click here to make a one time donation.  On the line below, there would be a link that says click here to make a monthly donation.
As things are now, these parts of the form are on the same page with text telling people where they are.  But a lot of blind people tab through a form or through most of it.  That is, I believe, the result of poor instruction or of people just picking things up as they go. 
The form designers need to decide if they want to help people learn to use forms with instructions and keeping the form as it is, or if they want to make the form useable by people who just tab through everything.
Earlier, I said that the form should not be dumbed down.  But on reflection, I'll say that it depends on what the designers want to do, to educate in that context or make something so easy to use that it takes nothing but tabbing.
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Sent: Monday, February 10, 2020 4:58 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Donation Too nerve wracking

Please explain how the form is badly designed. It can't be simpler.

You need to select what type of donation you want. Either you have a set of radio buttons on the Download page, or a set of buttons on the donate page.

On 2/10/2020 2:46 PM, James Bentley wrote:

I’m not certain as to who is saying the phrase, “kiss of death” but I agree.


It took me well over a year to finally finally set up a small monthly donation to NVDA.  I wonder how many dollars are not getting where they need to go because of a combination of persons with less PC skills and apparently, a web designer or, at least the form designer also having less skills.


We need NVDA to grow world wide so more persons will have free access to NVDA.


I use Jaws and Narrator too but, NVDA needs to prosper.  I hope some one will fix this unnecessary complicated process.




James B

From: <> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Monday, February 10, 2020 3:40 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Donation Too nerve wracking


On Mon, Feb 10, 2020 at 04:34 PM, Jackie wrote:

The problem is that too many, I think assume a lack of skill, when at least part of the problem may indeed be due to implementation.

And, in this case, it seems to be a combination of both, which is often the absolute kiss of death.

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363  

Power is being told you're not loved and not being destroyed by it.

       ~ Madonna



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