Kerryn Gunness <k_gunness@...>
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Sent: Saturday, April 11, 2020 9:00
Subject: [nvda] List Updates, Please Read
First, no matter where you are in the world, I do truly hope this message
finds you well. You are all in my thoughts. I am hopeful that we will come out
of this stronger and more resilient than before. If you wish to have a
place to share your thoughts, please join our NVDA chat subgroup, or find
someone to talk to. It is important that, during this time of physical
distancing, we remember that it is still acceptable to reach out to others and
be there for one another. If I can be there for you in any way, please send a
message to email@example.com
will do what I can to help.
Second, I have observed a number of things this past few days that I wish
to comment on:\
- There have been some extraordinarily long threads this past week. This
is not necessarily bad, however we should all keep in mind that this list
has many members, and we should keep in mind that some places around the
world do not have unlimited bandwidth.
- Please try to read all messages to a thread before responding. This
helps if you are using threaded mode, however if not, please read all
messages before responding. If you do this, we can avoid many repetitive
messages, and conflicting information, or answering questions which have
- This is accepted practice on many mailing lists. Brian and I will
begin pointing out where this occurs. Please do not take it personally,
I am sure that all of us send rushed messages at times without looking
at the entirety of a thread, however it is my hope that, by doing this,
we can cut down the number of messages to a thread, cut down unhelpful
messages, cut down repitive messages, and therefore hopefully make
the archive of messages a much more useful place for individuals to seek
- If you do not know the answer, please, please, please do not answer by
saying you do not know the answer. Please do not answer with "Google it".
Please provide substantive answers. If you wish to provide a link for
someone to use to look up information, or a search term, this is
acceptable, but please do not answer by simply saying you aren't sure,
send the logs, etc.
- Speaking of logs, we should avoid sending long logs to this list
- Logs may contain personal information to your system, your set-up,
or possibly keystrokes you press, etc.
- It is not expected that users on this list will know how to read
logs, or that they will disect those logs for you to determine the
issue. Please reach out to NVAccess directly. No doubt there is already
a process in place for this, however we shouldn't ask users to post logs
to this list.
- Please do not restart threads which have been closed, and please do
not argue with moderators on list. If you would like to question a
decision, send that comment to firstname.lastname@example.org.
Please do not take offense if a thread is locked. As moderators, we have
to balance allowing users to say what they wish with the balance of making
sure that this list remains on point with what needs to be
- This list is not a democracy.
- A list member took liberties with questioning a moderator on a topic
in public, and questioning why topics are locked. Let me be quite clear:
It is not acceptable to question a moderator on list in respect of a
thread being locked, or any other reason. If a thread is locked, this is
not out of a desire to infringe on your rights... As participants on this
list, you are bound by the Groups.io terms of service. Furthermore, you
are bound by any rules that I, the list owner, along with Brian, the list
moderator, and NVAccess decide to impose. Even if the rule is something
you disagree with. If you disagree with it, or you cannot abide by it,
please unsubscribe. This isn't to say that policies we enact will be
unreasonable, however it is your choice whether you are able to follow the
rules imposed by an entity when you use a service or product that entity
- Brian continues to enjoy my full support as a moderator. This is not to
say that we agree on all things, and this isn't to say that you need to
agree with Brian or with me on all things. However, there is a right and
wrong way to disagree.
- Right way: Email email@example.com
and express your disagreement with clear reasoning. We will respond and
provide our rationale. In the due course of conversation, we will come to
understand one another, or we will modify prior messaging, and issue
apologies as needed. Brian and I are human after all, and will make
- Wrong way: Post a message to the NVDA list, restart a locked thread,
etc, expressing your displeasure at the moderators/owners of this list,
NVAccess, or any other entity, and sighting what you believe is your right
to post such messages, calling out moderators for wanting to take away
your rights, being uncaring and unwilling to listen, etc etc. This is not
acceptable because such messages go to a very large list who signed up to
discuss NVDA, not list policy/your beliefs about your
My hope is, you will read this message and accept that what I am saying
is out of an intention to make this list a pleasant, useful place for everyone
to participate in. If, however, you are reading something you disagree with,
please send your displeasures to firstname.lastname@example.org
you feel that this message, accompanied by the NVDA rules goes against what
you believe is good list practice, you are welcome to leave and find another
place to discuss NVDA-related topics, and/or start your own list.
Thank you everyone for making this list the great place it is for being a
vehicle for NVDA-related discussions. I learn from all of you daily, as I know
we all learn from one another.
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