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Hmmm to be honest, I have half a mind as I said to tell them that
we don't want any extra software installed!!!
If they need adds, put them in a readable webpage at the end if
they need sponsorship, heck, nagg us about buying on a after
install webpage if they must, but we shouldn't have to bother
about bundled software.
Its why I use goldwave a 40 dollar us program instead of cdex
because cdex has addon software, and why I quit using the
dvdvideosoftware package and got pontes media which doesn't do
this stuff and brought the applian suite wasting 200 us bucks and
of which I hhardly used because dvdvideosoftware had so much
spyware in it and other unwanted stuff that by installing it one
day I basically bricked my laptop, and even after removing the
software in question had to reformat because it left a mess
I think its time we tell the software makers that while we like
and may buy their stuff, having adds shoved down our throats will
drive us away or at least will make us gnash our teeth behind
I shouldn't have to worry about what is being loaded to use my
I have had to give up good software because of foisted bundled
Excluding software which installs chrome for me because that at
least is usefull I have had to go to a lot of trouble to get stuff
that does not try to give me a really bad and public deal.
Its just the way I feel.
I have noticed that the user seems to be happy to have second
place and put up withh things but this is the new world now, the
virus has got rid of the old one and in this world I think its
time for users to fight for the choice of what we want to run and
what we want to install.
CCleaner has a slim installer but even so.
On 28/05/2020 2:28 pm, Gene wrote:
I don't use the product but I think that one of the most
important things is that notification of which additional
software will be installed and the refusal option be
accessible. A lot of the time, installers don't show such
information in an accessible way and you don't know what is
being offered and you can't refuse it. I suspect CCleaner has
this problem and I think it is the most important problem. The
user shouldn't have software installed he/she can't refuse and
isn't aware will be installed. Not being able to use a program
is very serious, having something installed that may be
difficult to remove and interferes with your use of the computer
aside from that program is worse.
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2020 4:08 PM
Subject: [nvda] ccleaner insites? accessible?
A while ago several months in fact as a user of ccleaner I
their news letter a servey to tell piriform about their product
good it was.
Of course I naturally opend up a can on how bad it was, etc and
Today I got a message saying there is a panel going up, and asked
join in one of the questions there was a question about screen
I don't know what this means, but this could be a step in the
So my first thing to do is work on their accessibility issues.
The first one is the control panel with all the checkboxes.
My second are the settings in particular the button that switches
off smartclean, I had to use narator to check that button else
would jump past it.
Third is healthcheck itself, I am going to ask them to either make
accessible or have it turned off by default for screenreader users
because we don't really need it anyway.
Then there are add banners and messages which themselves are not
accessible as they currently are.
Finally, there is the startup of smart clean and other things on
installd versions which we don't use or need and which can be a
to turn off.
Then finally last but not least, its the bundled software that is
installed, I know they need advertising for their free versions,
they really want sponsored listings and such they can open a page
their site with all the extras, sponsered software, etc if they
not bundle it in.
Avast aint that good, its not accessible and all the extras do is
up our systems.
I'd also like to add portable mode to installers.
This is most of what I'd want.
The most important are the controlpanel, buttons in settings and
health check for the first bash.
Hell if they just got the control panel right and maybe the
settings it should be a blooming good start.
The panel indicated direct feadback live was another possibility
would really like this.
If others get this mail I'd encourage joining the panel.
It seems that piriform or ccleaner or avast or whatever they are
are trying to do the right thing here.
Its an awesome step in the right direction.
Now on top of the windows update being so good, keeping 99.9% of
settings in tact and all, I am a really happy user.