Re: ccleaner insites? accessible? discussion maybe?


That isn't an accessibility question.  If something is offered during installation that a sighted person can see by the installer, it must be accessible to a screen-reader.  If something is accessible on a web site, where an offer may be posted with some way to refuse, such as a check box, from an accessibility standpoint, that is adequate.  If the installer shows something and that thing is accessible, again, that is enough from an accessibility standpoint. 
Whatever else you are asking for is something related to design or how clear companies should make these offers.  They often aren't shown in an obvious manner to sighted people, or not as clearly as they should be, maybe they are on a page with all sorts of other options.  If a blind person can look at the options, that is accessible.  Blind people are just as responsible for reading things on pages as sighted people are.  You can't use accessibility arguments to argue that a company change its ethics or design if its just a question of a blind person doing what anyone should do, read everything or enough of everything that you don't miss something, such as the beginning of every line on installation pages other than obvious navigation links.

Sent: Thursday, May 28, 2020 12:46 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] ccleaner insites? accessible? discussion maybe?

Hmmm to be honest, I have half a mind as I said to tell them that we don't want any extra software installed!!!

If they need adds, put them in a readable webpage at the end if they need sponsorship, heck, nagg us about buying on a after install webpage if they must, but we shouldn't have to bother about bundled software.

Its why I use goldwave a 40 dollar us program instead of cdex because cdex has addon software, and why I quit using the dvdvideosoftware package and got pontes media which doesn't do this stuff and brought the applian suite wasting 200 us bucks and of which I hhardly used because dvdvideosoftware had so much spyware in it and other unwanted stuff that by installing it one day I basically bricked my laptop, and even after removing the software in question had to reformat because it left a mess behind.

I think its time we tell the software makers that while we like and may buy their stuff, having adds shoved down our throats will drive us away or at least will make us gnash our teeth behind their backs.

I shouldn't have to worry about what is being loaded to use my systware.

I have had to give up good software because of foisted bundled stuff.

Excluding software which installs chrome for me because that at least is usefull I have had to go to a lot of trouble to get stuff that does not try to give me a really bad and public deal.

Its just the way I feel.

I have noticed that the user seems to be happy to have second place and put up withh things but this is the new world now, the virus has got rid of the old one and in this world I think its time for users to fight for the choice of what we want to run and what we want to install.

CCleaner has a slim installer but even so.

On 28/05/2020 2:28 pm, Gene wrote:
I don't use the product but I think that one of the most important things is that notification of which additional software will be installed and the refusal option be accessible.  A lot of the time, installers don't show such information in an accessible way and you don't know what is being offered and you can't refuse it.  I suspect CCleaner has this problem and I think it is the most important problem.  The user shouldn't have software installed he/she can't refuse and isn't aware will be installed.  Not being able to use a program is very serious, having something installed that may be difficult to remove and interferes with your use of the computer aside from that program is worse.
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Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2020 4:08 PM
Subject: [nvda] ccleaner insites? accessible? discussion maybe?

Hi all.

A while ago several months in fact as a user of ccleaner I recieved via
their news letter a servey to tell piriform about their product and how
good it was.

Of course I naturally opend up a can on how bad it was, etc and all that.

Today I got a message saying there is a panel going up, and asked me to
join in one of the questions there was a question about screen readers.

I don't know what this means, but this could be a step in the right

So my first thing to do is work on their accessibility issues.

The first one is the control panel with all the checkboxes.

My second are the settings in particular the button that switches on and
off smartclean, I had to use narator to check that button else nvda
would jump past it.

Third is healthcheck itself, I am going to ask them to either make it
accessible or have it turned off by default for screenreader users
because we don't really need it anyway.

Then there are add banners and messages which themselves are not
accessible as they currently are.

Finally, there is the startup of smart clean and other things on
installd  versions which we don't use or need and which can be a bother
to turn off.

Then finally last but not least, its the bundled software that is
installed, I know they need advertising for their free versions, and if
they really want sponsored listings and such they can open a page on
their site with all the extras, sponsered software, etc if they must but
not bundle it in.

Avast aint that good, its not accessible and all the extras do is screw
up our systems.

I'd also like to add portable mode to installers.

This is most of what I'd want.

The most important are the controlpanel, buttons in settings and the
health check for the first bash.

Hell if they just got the control panel right and maybe the buttons in
settings it should be a blooming good start.

The panel indicated direct feadback live was another possibility so I
would really like this.

If others get this mail I'd encourage joining the panel.

It seems that piriform or ccleaner or avast or whatever they are called
are trying to do the right thing here.

Its an awesome step in the right direction.

Now on top of the windows update being so good, keeping 99.9% of all my
settings in tact and all, I am a really happy user.

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