----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, May 28, 2020 12:46 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] ccleaner insites? accessible? discussion
Hmmm to be honest, I have half a mind as I said to tell them that we don't
want any extra software installed!!!
If they need adds, put them in a readable webpage at the end if they need
sponsorship, heck, nagg us about buying on a after install webpage if they must,
but we shouldn't have to bother about bundled software.
Its why I use goldwave a 40 dollar us program instead of cdex because cdex
has addon software, and why I quit using the dvdvideosoftware package and got
pontes media which doesn't do this stuff and brought the applian suite wasting
200 us bucks and of which I hhardly used because dvdvideosoftware had so much
spyware in it and other unwanted stuff that by installing it one day I basically
bricked my laptop, and even after removing the software in question had to
reformat because it left a mess behind.
I think its time we tell the software makers that while we like and may buy
their stuff, having adds shoved down our throats will drive us away or at least
will make us gnash our teeth behind their backs.
I shouldn't have to worry about what is being loaded to use my systware.
I have had to give up good software because of foisted bundled stuff.
Excluding software which installs chrome for me because that at least is
usefull I have had to go to a lot of trouble to get stuff that does not try to
give me a really bad and public deal.
Its just the way I feel.
I have noticed that the user seems to be happy to have second place and put
up withh things but this is the new world now, the virus has got rid of the old
one and in this world I think its time for users to fight for the choice of what
we want to run and what we want to install.
CCleaner has a slim installer but even so.
On 28/05/2020 2:28 pm, Gene wrote:
I don't use the product but I think that one of the most important things
is that notification of which additional software will be installed and the
refusal option be accessible. A lot of the time, installers don't show
such information in an accessible way and you don't know what is being offered
and you can't refuse it. I suspect CCleaner has this problem and I think
it is the most important problem. The user shouldn't have software
installed he/she can't refuse and isn't aware will be installed. Not
being able to use a program is very serious, having something installed that
may be difficult to remove and interferes with your use of the computer aside
from that program is worse.
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2020 4:08 PM
Subject: [nvda] ccleaner insites? accessible? discussion
A while ago several months in fact as a user of
ccleaner I recieved via
their news letter a servey to tell piriform about
their product and how
good it was.
Of course I naturally opend up a
can on how bad it was, etc and all that.
Today I got a message saying
there is a panel going up, and asked me to
join in one of the questions
there was a question about screen readers.
I don't know what this
means, but this could be a step in the right
So my first
thing to do is work on their accessibility issues.
The first one is the
control panel with all the checkboxes.
My second are the settings in
particular the button that switches on and
off smartclean, I had to use
narator to check that button else nvda
would jump past it.
healthcheck itself, I am going to ask them to either make it
have it turned off by default for screenreader users
because we don't
really need it anyway.
Then there are add banners and messages which
themselves are not
accessible as they currently are.
is the startup of smart clean and other things on
which we don't use or need and which can be a bother
Then finally last but not least, its the bundled software that is
installed, I know they need advertising for their free versions, and if
they really want sponsored listings and such they can open a page on
their site with all the extras, sponsered software, etc if they must but
not bundle it in.
Avast aint that good, its not accessible and all
the extras do is screw
up our systems.
I'd also like to add
portable mode to installers.
This is most of what I'd want.
most important are the controlpanel, buttons in settings and the
check for the first bash.
Hell if they just got the control panel right
and maybe the buttons in
settings it should be a blooming good
The panel indicated direct feadback live was another possibility
would really like this.
If others get this mail I'd encourage
joining the panel.
It seems that piriform or ccleaner or avast or
whatever they are called
are trying to do the right thing here.
an awesome step in the right direction.
Now on top of the windows
update being so good, keeping 99.9% of all my
settings in tact and all, I
am a really happy user.