Having just enough vision to make an uncluttered desktop with a dark
screen useful, I honestly prefer windows plus m as it's an easy way
to clear up the display and take everything back down to the
taskbar, where I can reach it when I want to.
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I guess it'd also be in how one first learned to use Windows, but
visually, having everything minimized with one quick shortcut
while also returning to the desktop always worked better for me.
Suppose the same could be said for using the taskbar to get to
applications and such that you'd been using, compared to using alt
plus tab to cycle through the different windows until you found the
one you want. for me, alt tab works well if I only have two or so
windows I want to toggle back and fourth through, say for moving
files from one place to another, but for those folks who may have 10
plus windows up and going, no thanks.
One other thing to maybe consider, which certainly doesn't apply to
everyone but is a pretty big deal to me is the amount of light that
comes off my display if I have it full of nice bright windows. I
find it much easier on my eyes to keep not only my background darker
but to also keep my windows sized down a bit more, as to not
generate as much brightness, especially if my eyes happen to be
I find that it's a decent balance, keeping my computer easier on my
own vision, yet it doesn't have a huge affect if someone like my
wife needs to use it, for whatever reason. This is where having
options like screen curtain, the ability to totally black or white
out the display kinda fail, but in those situations where you don't
have any need on using the display or you know that no one will be
needing to read it, then they work well.
On 8/21/2016 6:04 AM, Chris Mullins
I too have never understood why Jaws
tutorials in particular promote the use of Windows+m to move
focus to the Desktop as this keypress minimises all open
apps before it moves focus. Windows+d is easier to remember
and moves focus without minimising everything. In addition
you can use windows+d to have a peek at the contents of the
desktop, pressing it again takes you back to where you were.
I think I figured it out.
The top row is folders and under that
is a grid of everything in those folders. The problem is
that grid is really strangely shaped and if you press an
arrow key you may jump to another folder. Nice thing is
it will announce the new folder, but that is also what
makes it so confusing.
*Note* windows + d also takes you to the
desktop like windows + m does, you only need to use one hand
though. I've never understood why they teach windows + m
when windows + d is easier to do and remember.
On Sat, Aug 20, 2016 at 10:10 PM,
Haha, a fun one! First, and apologies
to those who may disagree, but it seems to me that
currently, the Start menu on 10 with NVDA is slightly
less than pleasant to use. :)
I've changed mine up now, I got tired of how crappy it
was working for me so I took all the stuff out of the
pinned apps area so it no longer shows up, but this is
what I was able to figure out.
When you first press the start button and it lands you
in the search box, you can press tab, either once or
twice and it should take you to a vertical list
containing a fairly large number of apps and some of
their associated folders. As you arrow up and down here,
NVDA will first read the section you come to, so A, B,
etc and then under those, read you apps that fall under
those sections. As you probably already know, it's here
that you can press the applications key and pin said
apps to the start menu.
As for the area where Apps actually get pinned, it looks
like shift tab is what you want, so doing it from the
search box should land you there. It's here that you
should be able to use the arrow keys to move up, down,
left and right in the grid, but unfortunately, NVDA
seems to read things here all weird. As something that
looks similar to how IOS likes to create named
directories based on the names of the stuff you put in
them, as you're moving around here, you'll come to these
named sections and can press enter to rename them. As
you're moving around here, you'll land on these
sections, lets say, Audio and Music just as an example
and can sometimes press down or wright and it will start
reading you the pinned apps under that section. If you
happen to only have one or two things here though, It's
sometimes hard to get it to land where you want on the
icon or whatever.
I've wondered if it's possible to turn off the
structuring of the apps you pin here and just have them
in a huge grid, but if so, I've not figured it out.
I'm also not sure if this is something that NVDA just
hasn't caught up with and if there are things in the
pipe down the road that will make it more friendly, but
so far, it is kind of a pain to use. haha
If you play with it though and figure out anything else,
I'd certainly be interested.
On 8/20/2016 10:17 AM, Brandon
Keith Biggs wrote:
The reason why one uses the
start menu is so you don't need to open apps to do
things like your calendar, whether, news and
stocks. you just arrow over those items and you
hear what they are.
On Sat, Aug 20, 2016 at 5:40
AM, Louis Maher <ljmaher@...>
it easier to place application shortcuts on
the desktop. This is a two-step process.
Hit the windows key, type in the application
name, hit the context menu, find file
location and enter on it, hit the context
menu and go to the send-to menu. Hit the
desktop option. Hit windows m to bring you
to the desktop, type the first letter of the
application, and you will land on it. Note
that on the desktop, once you find a and
select application, you can hit f2 and
change the shortcut’s name.
Behalf Of Brandon Keith Biggs
Sent: Saturday, August 20, 2016 7:04
Subject: [nvda] dealing with Pins on
the Windows 10 start
understand how pins work in
removed all the junk in hopes that
fewer items would make things
clearer, but it didn't I pinned a
couple things to the start and in
order to get to them I need to hit
right arrow once and down arrow all
the way to the bottom when they
should be just down.
there are folders but I can't
understand how they work.
help would be great because I would like
to start using the start menu.