Re: Object Navigation - Where and How Do You Use It?


Gene
 

Jackie said in part:
perhaps the easiest way to talk about object navigation is to think about what you do w/your mouse.
My comment:
What you do with your mouse is not object navigation. It is screen review but using the mouse instead of review mode. I wrote what I did because it is important not to conflate screen-review, whether using review mode in NVDA or the mouse, with object navigation.

Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: Joseph Lee
Sent: Thursday, August 06, 2020 6:23 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Object Navigation - Where and How Do You Use It?

Hi,
Jackie didn't talk about screen review at all - she talked about the mouse. The original question didn't specify screen review at all - Brian wanted to know places in which object navigation might be useful in obtaining information (for the record, Settings app example is one place where screen review cannot be used at all).
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Thursday, August 6, 2020 3:58 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Object Navigation - Where and How Do You Use It?

But the way you move is often different when using screen review and object navigation and there are times when you get little or no useful information one way and you do with the other. Also, you may get very different results such as in Notepad. If you use the review commands such as 7 and 9 when in object navigation mode, you can read an entire document that way because the opened document is one single object, I can open a hundreds of page document and move through the entire document. Using screen review, I am just reviewing the one screen.

It is important to know that these ways of moving are different.

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: Joseph Lee
Sent: Thursday, August 06, 2020 5:34 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Object Navigation - Where and How Do You Use It?

Hi,
But the abstraction is the same: regardless of using a mouse or object navigation commands, a user is navigating controls that are not accessible with keyboard commands.
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Thursday, August 6, 2020 3:26 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Object Navigation - Where and How Do You Use It?

You are describing screen review mode or the JAWS cursor. Object navigation is a very different system of movement.

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: Jackie
Sent: Thursday, August 06, 2020 5:00 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Object Navigation - Where and How Do You Use It?

Brian, perhaps the easiest way to talk about object navigation is to think about what you do w/your mouse. You move around the screen, point at an object you want to interact with, & then click.

If a program's funtions are accessible w/tab, shift-tab, & arrow keys, then object navigation isn't necessary. But what if they're not? (& often they aren't). This is when object navigation can become a real lifesaver. So it's basically accessing programatic elements when the customary keyboard commands can't.

Does that help you at all?

On 8/6/20, David Goldfield <david.goldfield@outlook.com> wrote:
I often use object navigation when navigating through the screens in
Kaspersky Antivirus.


David Goldfield,
Blindness Assistive Technology Specialist JAWS Certified, 2019

WWW.DavidGoldfield.org

On 8/6/2020 5:16 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:
Thank you to all who have offered their experiences and to all who
may have yet to do so. This is exactly what I was hoping to get when
I made the initial post, and I really, really appreciate the input.

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Brian *-*Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363

/A gentleman is one who never hurts anyone's feelings
unintentionally./

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