Hmmm thanks jean, I do have eloquence and if I need to I can use it for that particular site.
I have managed to get round the waterfox crashes to a point.
Turning off container tabs and hardware exeleration has helped a bit.
Now that doesn't take out the crashing but I can get through most of my net blog checks before waterfox crashes.
As long as I open new topics in new tabs in forums, open articles in their own window, and as long as I can start narator, close waterfox and restart nvda then it works.
Its not ideal, but I have got it down to where I am crashing once every 3-10 sites instead of just about every site.
Interestingly, there is a lot of descussion on readit of waterfox about high memmory usage and addon breakage.
The devs can't understand why because all they have updated is security.
Nursing the brouser along as I am, I think I can get it to work for me.
I am not happy about it of course but at least I should be able to continue to work as long as I do all my web stuff first, then all my cloud stuff, then all my email stuff, then all my update stuff, then all my blog stuff and reboot each time it gets to unstable.
So far it hasn't got that bad but still.
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On 26/09/2020 9:37 pm, Gene wrote: I've only tried Via Voice, which I believe, does more or less what you want. Eloquence should as well. Many others may.
Gene -----Original Message----- From: Shaun Everiss Sent: Saturday, September 26, 2020 3:24 AM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] firefox and waterfox issues.
Hmmm what synth do you suggest I try.
I do like espeak for what it is.
Technically I guess I could add a dictionary entry, but I really want to add a context sensitive one.
On 26/09/2020 7:52 pm, Gene wrote:
If you try different synthesizers, you may find something more or less like what you are looking for.
Gene -----Original Message----- From: Shaun Everiss Sent: Saturday, September 26, 2020 2:50 AM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] firefox and waterfox issues.
Hi jean, what I really want is for something to read the prices with the points in even if they use the coma, but I suppose thats not an option.
I know in math some write with coma instead of the standard full stop for a decimal to denote large numbers.
The issue is not how its written but that nvda doesn't recognise this in the way its handled as anything bar a coma in this case its actually a decimal.
On 26/09/2020 6:43 pm, Gene wrote:
I don't know what accounts for the difference in how it is read. but you may be able to work around the problem by setting punctuation to all. then you will have the annoyance of hearing all sorts of punctuation but it may be preferable to hearing numbers misread.
Or you can change the reading of commas to the most or some level. That way, you will hear them spoken without hearing a lot of other punctuation.
Gene -----Original Message----- From: Shaun Everiss Sent: Saturday, September 26, 2020 1:09 AM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] firefox and waterfox issues.
ok, in firefox, something which is say 140 dollars and 21 cents is 140.21
This is fine, in some places on the net they use the coma and not the full stop char.
now 140,21 in waterfox/firefox is read out as you would expect.
in chrome its 14021.
So I have often found things costing 500000 or something rediculous when they can be 50.00 or 500.00.
This seems to be a bit of an issue.
Now granted its only 1 site, but its a site I use a lot.
I am not sure if there is a plugin to treat in certain cases the coma being used as a deciman point where numbers are concerned being converted to a point.
Of course it goes without saying that this is only on displayed items.
When you buy one its converted normally, go figure.
Its my only gripe with chromium brousers.
To be honest, what I may have to do, is run each group of sites in its own session, followed by forums that have trouble in a multitabbed environment.
Thats fine but to be honest, even if this doesn't work, I have had to turn off hardware exceleration, and autoupdates just to get things not to crash.
If things continue to crash, I will try turning off image auto load and finally javascript but its getting to the point that I may have to abandon the entire mozilla family.
I'd really like a brouser I can use with a no frill interface.
That is, something that just brouses, has things like ublock, secured https, maybe a privacy manager and sound, or if I can't have that, something like internet explorer but not be internet explorer.
I do like youtube videos so it would need to process some of these streaming things but heck, if I had a simple brouser to brouse the net and something else for other things, I am willing to take it.
On 26/09/2020 5:53 pm, Gene wrote:
I don't understand your point about how dollar amountsare read. They are read as I expect and the way differs when I use different symthesizers. Via Voice reads them correctly. E-Speak reads them incorrectly whatever browser I use.
Gene -----Original Message----- From: Shaun Everiss Sent: Saturday, September 26, 2020 12:37 AM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] firefox and waterfox issues.
Hmph.
Well, I am really close to swearing now reading what you just told me.
I have done a little more, adding waterfox to ccleaner and turning off hardware exceleration.
I have also turned off container tabs and autoupdates but at this point I am pritty close to bailing.
As for google, my issue is, well go to www.pbtech.co.nz and look at how the prices for things are set.
Look how chromium based brousers say them, look at how waterfox/ firefox say them.
Now you will understand why I don't care about leaving waterfox or whatever.
Is there such a thing as a brouser with a classic interface I can use or do I have to soldier on with what I have.
I can do it, I guess but really its really bad.
I could refresh my profile but back a couple versions ago and I just tried things do spike but not like this.
This is not the medium I really want.
On 26/09/2020 4:17 pm, Hareth wrote:
Same here, Firefox went to the worse it could get. opening a facebook page became a crash nightmare with it. About the chrome navigating history entries, Man if that's not one of the biggest NVDA and crome accessibility shortcomings. I have to quit NVDA, start JAWS, open the jaws find feature and put "yes" for yesterday ETC, in the edit field and it finds the entries there pretty well. I couldn't make NVDA do the same . On 9/26/20, Gene <gsasner@gmail.com> wrote:
Of course, it may be something else. I don't have the technical knowledge to do more than guess.
Aside from that, I don't see anything cluttered about the Chrome interface.
Browsing is browsing when you are using Browse mode or the Virtual PC Cursor, different names for the same thing. The interface is different but
the only place where I find that an annoyance is when working with history.
and I still haven't found a way to go back more than about a day in Chrome history. I wonder if there is some sort of inaccessible scroll icon.
Gene -----Original Message----- From: Shaun Everiss Sent: Friday, September 25, 2020 9:22 PM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] firefox and waterfox issues.
Yeah, its starting to become a thing I am jumping towards to. Since firefox and waterfox share some features well that makes sence. I have downgraded to 2020.8.1, but even in the 08x series the system has been running hot with the brouser active so there could be a leak going on. I like classic waterfox because of its uncluttered nature, but if the makers of this thing refuse to acknowledge that its a problem on their end, then I am going to have to abandon noscript 5, and try to use chrome, edge, brave or something. I'd ideally like a firefox like classic brouser. What I may have to do is switch back and fforth. Right now I am running an older waterfox classic which does what I need it to do but yeah, I am starting to get that to. Its random, sometimes its fine then sometimes its not. It can happen quickly or it can well happen later on and randomly. Taking into account that I have at least 1 site I use for work which is known to be slow and a lot slower now because it just is who knows. Its only happening if I load several things in the same tab, any new tabs are not effected. At first I thought it was java or malware but its getting to crazy now, worse its even happening on sites like blogspot where I don't allow any scripts to execute. I'll give those at waterfox/firefox a little more time to do something about this but if not I am going to have to switch to chrome for my day to day work. Now chrome aint a bad brouser but I like a classic and uncluttered interface. Bar the addons from electronic frontier, privacy, badger, and https everywhere, as well as ublock, the only addon I need is the old navigation sounds and accessible noscript addon and heck I probably could do without that but I like control. Point is I can't go on like this. I have allready done a hardreset on my ram modules after a firmware update caused some issues, and while that has sorted out some stuff, when this goes it turns nvda into junk. Mostly narator will come up file and closing the program works fine but the last time this happened this morning it took out part of nvda keyboard and I had to reboot nvda manually and then restart windows. I have struggled through this for the last 3 days now since the update and am just about through.
On 26/09/2020, Gene <gsasner@gmail.com> wrote:
It sounds like a memory leak problem.
Gene -----Original Message----- From: Shaun Everiss Sent: Friday, September 25, 2020 7:58 PM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: [nvda] firefox and waterfox issues.
Hi all.
There is an issue on github of both waterfox and nvda about how the brouser is really flakey in the latest version.
Aparently firefox has the same issues, at first I thought it was just a couple sites, but now I can be brousing along and it may be blogspot, github, another site, and things will become unresponsive.
I thought I'd fixed it this morning but no I hadn't.
If you open sites each in a new tab things do not crash but eventually if you open things in the same window things will crash and become unresponsive.
This never happened on the previous waterfox version but if its happening in firefox as well as waterfox classic then there is a problem.
I like classic waterfox for what it is but if its going to do this sort of thing I may have to use chrome and hope it doesn't do this.
I don't like what chrome does to some number conversions in sites like pbtech.co.nz as they don't read decimals right because how the numbers and such on the site are done but well things just seem to be well doing bad things right now.
Interested to get to the bottem of this.
thanks.
Shaun.
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