Re: Use of Headings, or Rather Lack Thereof, in Groups.IO Discussion Lists


The screen reader "System Access" is coming to an end on December 31st
of this year, Ironically, It navigates message to message using the
search by header command flawlessly, I will miss this screen reader.
Since this is possible, perhaps a NVDA kung fu code master could
create an addon?

Hinty, hint, hint hint…


On 11/15/20, Gene <> wrote:
Have you looked for text that repeats at the end of each message before a
new one begins? There may be something you can search for that is reliable.

I haven't used the archives much but that is often what I look for in such

I don't have much opinions about headings, I'd have to look at the page
layout to see if something looks useful enough to be a possibly desirable
way to move.

-----Original Message-----
From: David Kingsbury
Sent: Sunday, November 15, 2020 3:57 PM
Subject: [nvda] Use of Headings, or Rather Lack Thereof, in Groups.IO
Discussion Lists

Hi all,

I have come to really value the various Groups.IO lists related to
accessibility, including this one. However, one thing that has always irked

me is how clunky and inefficient navigation is on the web pages where you
access discussion strings on individual topics. Other than a single level 4

heading just above the initial question, there is no use of headings for
replies. Appropriate use of headings here would significantly enable more
efficient navigation by screen reader users.

Previously, I had a few workarounds on web pages for reading through
discussions. If using Edge, I could put it in immersive reader view and that

helped. But with the newest version of Windows 10, immersive reader seems to

have disappeared for some pages and remained for others. I even figured out

that I could search for the number sign with Control F and then F3 to get to

the top of each response because each one used to start with a message
number, but no longer. So now, I am stuck endlessly down arrowing through
the discussions. This is a very inefficient way to navigate web pages.

I emailed the Groups. IO tech support people with this concern several
months ago and they never responded. Because I had figured out some personal

workarounds, and this is a free service, so I suppose you get what you pay
for, I never made a second attempt to contact them. But my workarounds no
longer work, and navigation is very tedious.

I am sure that those who run Groups.IO are people of goodwill. I imagine too

that they are unaware that well-placed insertion of headings greatly
facilitates navigation by screen reader users.

So, a couple of questions. Should list administrators contact the Groups.IO

developers with this concern to ask that they make better use of headings on

the web pages? Or if others on this list agree that better use of headings
would greatly improve our ability to use Groups.IO more efficiently, is
there a way we can advocate as a group, versus sending the occasional
solitary email complaint that ultimately goes unanswered?

Ideally, on the web pages, each original question and the responses would be

tagged with a heading. On the daily digest, “New topics” and “new replies”
would both have headings. However, adding headings to the web pages is the
biggest priority.

I want to emphasize that I wouldn’t expend time on this if I didn’t value
the service. It is an excellent resource. But that doesn’t mean there is no

room for improvement.

Thanks to all who support asking that they do something about this. Also,
sorry in advance for any inconvenience to you because I am sending this
message to several lists, so you may see some repetition.



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