Re: possible long-standing bug


Gene
 

NVDA reads the top line if there is print on it. While people who use JAWS grow used to such announcements as top, they really aren't necessary in my opinion.

I can't say how others would react if such speech were added or if it should be added as default behavior. I consider it to be annoyingly intrusive.

I can't comment on Excel (spelling) in terms of what feedback may be important but when moving through a list of files, the top one is announced when you move to it and the bottom one is. I already discussed documents.

You can read about and down load the add-on at:
https://addons.nvda-project.org/addons/numpadNavMode.en.html

The add-on allows the user to use numpad insert numpad 2 for read to end. This may be a real convenience to JAWS users who are used to constantly using that command. I have long thought that it should be made available in NVDA because it is such a convenient way of initiating read to end. I can move up and down by line using numpad 8 to move up and numpad 2 to move down and use insert numpad insert 2 to initiate read to end when I get to where I want to do that. Not only is it more convenient than any means available in NVDA without changing input commands, but it is important for people with problems using two hands. It is a very convenient one-hand command to initiate read to end.

I think this is important enough that this add-on should be incorporated into the core and that it be discussed on the transition page for JAWS users and in the manual and training material.

Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: Bob Cavanaugh
Sent: Sunday, November 22, 2020 2:58 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] possible long-standing bug

I don't have any add-ons on this copy of NVDA, the only one I ever
used was the OCR one on my desktop. I'll have to look into the add-on
that changes the numpad functions, as I'd like to be able to fully use
the normal numpad functions when running NVDA. What's that add-on
called? Even without it, some of the Windows commands work that use
the numpad's Windows functions, but what I'd like is for NVDA to give
some kind of feedback about that. JAWS says "top of file" and System
Access simply reads the first line when the command is pressed to go
to the top of the file. NVDA says nothing until another action is
taken. I'm not familiar with what JAWS says when switching sheets in
Excel as it's been years since I've used those two programs together,
but System Access says the name of the sheet as soon as you press the
command to change sheets, while NVDA requires a press of an additional
command to make sure that you have indeed switched sheets.

On 11/22/20, Gene <gsasner@gmail.com> wrote:
I didn't make this clear in my last message. Whenever an add-on is being
used or something else is being used or done that might alter the effect of

how something works, it should be stated in a message dealing with the thing

or process that is altered. Even if it seems unimportant, it should be
stated that this or that is being used. While I said in my last message
that is inaccurate to talk about the numpad being off, even if that had been

stated, saying that the add-on is being used would have made what is being
described completely clear to those who know what the add-on does.
Often, reports of technical probllems are made not as clear as they would be

if infrmation about what is being used or details of what is being done are

omitted.

My comments about the inaccuracy of the description aren't meant to be
negatively critical nor single someone out. Often, such information as
something being used that changes something or information detailing what is

done is omitted from possible problem reports, which makes the understanding

of what the problem may be unclear.

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: Gene
Sent: Sunday, November 22, 2020 1:47 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] possible long-standing bug

The add-on is evidently being used that disables the numpad in its default
functions for NVDA review commands. If this is done, NVDA 7 does function
as home, its default function in Windows if no program is using that key
for
its own purpose. It should be specified that the add-on is being used if
it
is. Saying something like have the numpad off is confusing and isn't
accurate. The numpad is functioning, it is performing its Windows
functions.

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: Sarah k Alawami
Sent: Saturday, November 21, 2020 11:16 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] possible long-standing bug



This might sound like a silly question, but is your num-lock on? If it is
not that might explain what's going on, maybe. If not, then feel free to
write back. I use the laptop functions, so that's about all I know.

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On 21 Nov 2020, at 21:13, Bob Cavanaugh wrote:



Hi all,
Please forgive me if I'm reporting in the wrong place, but I've
noticed a bug that has been kind of annoying since I've been primarily
using a laptop. I'd have to investigate whether or not NVDA reads
things as expected if I use the actual buttons, but if using the
numpad, it does not. For instance, with the numpad off, 7 acts as the
home key, with control+home moving to the top of the file. It's been a
while since I've tried this using the actual home key, but while
control+numpad 7 works as expected, there is no verbal indication that
it does so, it's only by using the arrow keys to move around the
document that you are made aware of the position change. Something
similar happens when switching sheets in Excel. The commands are
control+page up (numpad 9) and control+page down (numpad 3) to switch
between sheets. However, NVDA does not say the name of the sheet you
are working with until you take some other action on the sheet.
Bob











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