Re: possible long-standing bug

Bob Cavanaugh <cavbob1993@...>

Just downloaded the add-on and works great! The one change I'd make is
that commands be read as expected with or without the add-on. The
issue I was having was that the action was being taken as expected
which I wasn't sure would work until I tried it years after I first
installed NVDA, but NVDA wasn't announcing it. For instance, I'd press
control+7 to go to the top of the file. With the add-on, NVDA reads as
expected, but before, it either didn't work or when it did, it gave no
verbal indication that it had, depending on the application.

On 11/22/20, Bob Cavanaugh <> wrote:
I 100% agree, in fact I remember suggesting something very similar to
what this add-on does years ago. I'll have to check out how NVDA
responds when I get this installed, as this may solve the problem I am
describing. Some of the commands I'm used to work with only slight
modification, but again, NVDA doesn't read as expected. I've found
that numpad insert+the down arrow key works just fine to read to end
as does JAWS and System Access.

On 11/22/20, Gene <> wrote:
NVDA reads the top line if there is print on it. While people who use

grow used to such announcements as top, they really aren't necessary in

I can't say how others would react if such speech were added or if it

be added as default behavior. I consider it to be annoyingly intrusive.

I can't comment on Excel (spelling) in terms of what feedback may be
important but when moving through a list of files, the top one is

when you move to it and the bottom one is. I already discussed

You can read about and down load the add-on at:

The add-on allows the user to use numpad insert numpad 2 for read to
This may be a real convenience to JAWS users who are used to constantly
using that command. I have long thought that it should be made available

NVDA because it is such a convenient way of initiating read to end. I
move up and down by line using numpad 8 to move up and numpad 2 to move

and use insert numpad insert 2 to initiate read to end when I get to where

want to do that. Not only is it more convenient than any means available

NVDA without changing input commands, but it is important for people with
problems using two hands. It is a very convenient one-hand command to
initiate read to end.

I think this is important enough that this add-on should be incorporated
into the core and that it be discussed on the transition page for JAWS

and in the manual and training material.

-----Original Message-----
From: Bob Cavanaugh
Sent: Sunday, November 22, 2020 2:58 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] possible long-standing bug

I don't have any add-ons on this copy of NVDA, the only one I ever
used was the OCR one on my desktop. I'll have to look into the add-on
that changes the numpad functions, as I'd like to be able to fully use
the normal numpad functions when running NVDA. What's that add-on
called? Even without it, some of the Windows commands work that use
the numpad's Windows functions, but what I'd like is for NVDA to give
some kind of feedback about that. JAWS says "top of file" and System
Access simply reads the first line when the command is pressed to go
to the top of the file. NVDA says nothing until another action is
taken. I'm not familiar with what JAWS says when switching sheets in
Excel as it's been years since I've used those two programs together,
but System Access says the name of the sheet as soon as you press the
command to change sheets, while NVDA requires a press of an additional
command to make sure that you have indeed switched sheets.

On 11/22/20, Gene <> wrote:
I didn't make this clear in my last message. Whenever an add-on is
used or something else is being used or done that might alter the effect

how something works, it should be stated in a message dealing with the

or process that is altered. Even if it seems unimportant, it should be
stated that this or that is being used. While I said in my last message
that is inaccurate to talk about the numpad being off, even if that had

stated, saying that the add-on is being used would have made what is
described completely clear to those who know what the add-on does.
Often, reports of technical probllems are made not as clear as they


if infrmation about what is being used or details of what is being done


My comments about the inaccuracy of the description aren't meant to be
negatively critical nor single someone out. Often, such information as
something being used that changes something or information detailing


done is omitted from possible problem reports, which makes the

of what the problem may be unclear.

-----Original Message-----
From: Gene
Sent: Sunday, November 22, 2020 1:47 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] possible long-standing bug

The add-on is evidently being used that disables the numpad in its
functions for NVDA review commands. If this is done, NVDA 7 does
as home, its default function in Windows if no program is using that key
its own purpose. It should be specified that the add-on is being used
is. Saying something like have the numpad off is confusing and isn't
accurate. The numpad is functioning, it is performing its Windows

-----Original Message-----
From: Sarah k Alawami
Sent: Saturday, November 21, 2020 11:16 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] possible long-standing bug

This might sound like a silly question, but is your num-lock on? If it
not that might explain what's going on, maybe. If not, then feel free to
write back. I use the laptop functions, so that's about all I know.


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On 21 Nov 2020, at 21:13, Bob Cavanaugh wrote:

Hi all,
Please forgive me if I'm reporting in the wrong place, but I've
noticed a bug that has been kind of annoying since I've been primarily
using a laptop. I'd have to investigate whether or not NVDA reads
things as expected if I use the actual buttons, but if using the
numpad, it does not. For instance, with the numpad off, 7 acts as the
home key, with control+home moving to the top of the file. It's been a
while since I've tried this using the actual home key, but while
control+numpad 7 works as expected, there is no verbal indication that
it does so, it's only by using the arrow keys to move around the
document that you are made aware of the position change. Something
similar happens when switching sheets in Excel. The commands are
control+page up (numpad 9) and control+page down (numpad 3) to switch
between sheets. However, NVDA does not say the name of the sheet you
are working with until you take some other action on the sheet.

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