Re: How is verbosity decided

Quentin Christensen


Yes you are correct, figures are reported but there is currently no document formatting option to toggle that.  There is, however, an issue for that already - so do feel free to subscribe to that for updates on when it is updated:

The idea of including configuration profiles in NVDA itself is of course possible, but what would be included? (rhetorical question!)

If we did that, then suddenly some programs would behave differently to others - or you'd really want to change a setting, and yet it wouldn't be changed in every program, and why does NVDA read this really useful information in Word but not Firefox?  It would cause more problems than it would solve, especially as how one user uses Word for instance, might be very different to how another user does.

So the best solution, we feel, is to not have any configuration profiles setup by default, but to hopefully teach users how to access them.  I have put forward my idea for improving configuration profiles here: - as with any other issue, feel free to subscribe to that, or to add your own 2 cents to it if you have a point to add which hasn't been made already on the issue.

The scripts term is a bit confusing.  Most of the time when people use it, they mean either Jaws scripts or NVDA add-ons.  In fact, the term has crept into our "What's new" document (in quite a few places as I look at it now) to mean a software function in NVDA itself.  For instance in 2020.3 one change was:

"The Report formatting script (NVDA+f) has now been changed to report the formatting at the system caret rather than at the review cursor position. To report formatting at the review cursor position now use NVDA+shift+f. (#9505)"

Which refers to NVDA's own internal routine which runs when a user presses NVDA+f.  So Gene's comment about NVDA using "scripts for various programs", is (I think I'm reading his intentions correctly) in line with that usage of the word, and I'm happy to put my hand up and say we can take the blame for that particular confusion :)

Also the difference between bug report and feature request is more around the prompts in the template itself - the issue still ends up in the same place (as an issue), and several people have commented that we should actually add a few more of the prompt questions from the bug report template to the feature request template.  In essence, whatever you are reporting or requesting, try to include as much information as possible which might be relevant, even if it isn't explicitly asked.


On Thu, Dec 17, 2020 at 9:56 AM Brian Vogel <britechguy@...> wrote:
On Wed, Dec 16, 2020 at 05:13 PM, Gene wrote:
newly added announcement of figure and out of figure. I have found no setting to control this announcement.
I'll agree that:

1. This could be mighty annoying.
2. It's something that should be toggle-able like most other document formatting announcements are.

My guess is that focus was on getting the function to work, but that adding another checkbox to Document Formatting options slipped through the cracks.  I don't know whether such a request would be considered a bug report versus feature request.  I'd be more inclined toward bug report, as there is a well established collection of settings that would seem to have been the ideal place to add a checkbox for this, but it didn't happen.

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 20H2, Build 19042  

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Quentin Christensen
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