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Brian, thank you for all the help you give on this list. It is
great to have you here. Thanks for your help with me in the past.
On 12/30/2020 6:33 PM, Brian Vogel
On Wed, Dec 30, 2020 at 03:19 PM, Jackie wrote:
I think Arlene was just trying to say that Brian
doesn't instruct like most sighted folks. The context of the
message bears that out, Ibelieve.
And that's how I read it, and particularly in reference to my
avoiding "point and click" terminology when speaking to a blind
and visually impaired audience, which I try to be very mindful to
Yet, Gene is correct is his observation that it is every bit as
incumbent on blind users to have the mental tools at their
disposal to "translate" a point and click instruction set to
keyboard user equivalent. When I tutor, this is something I teach
when necessary. Most of my students have been individuals who are
formerly sighted, so they implicitly understand "point and click"
style in instruction sets, and what I teach them is not only how
to use a screen reader, per se, but what the translations from
sighted-focused terminology to keyboard-focused terminology is.
They should, at the end, be able to look at an instruction set
written for either the sighted or the blind and be equally
comfortable following either.
As Mike Capelle noted, "We all live in a sighted world," and I
don't think there's a single reader here who does not understand
what he meant. Like the old Palmolive commercial: You're soaking
While any given individual can make any choices they see fit,
choices have consequences. And if you're a blind computer user
who, by choice, cuts yourself off from "sighted centric"
instructions, you are cutting yourself off from the vast majority
of material out there that can answer many questions you have.
I do not rewrite the instruction sets I have written for
keyboard-focused audiences when I post same in sighted-centric
venues. I make a point of saying, "This was written with blind
individuals in mind, and is keyboard focused, but you [the random
sighted user] should easily be able to translate these to using
the mouse." I fully expect that this should work in the opposite
direction, too, and make no apology for that. I do offer pointers
to certain sighted-centric instructions, not written by me,
because they're good instruction sets. I don't think that it's
impossible to know that, "click on," means "gain focus on and
select," "double click on, " means, "activate by your preferred
method, etc. It's a basic skill that anyone who wishes to expand
their own computer use expertise should acquire. And heaven knows
there are a very great number of members other than myself who can
assist if you happen to be someone in the translation acquisition
phase of your own education.
Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit,
Version 20H2, Build 19042
the Supreme Court refusing to hear the case brought by Texas
to overturn the votes certified by 4 states:] Pleased
with the SCOTUS ruling, but also immediately slightly
terrified of where this crazy train goes next. We should
know by now there’s a bottomless supply of crazy.
~ Brendan Buck, former adviser to Speakers of the House
Paul Ryan and John Boehner