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I have stay quiet until now but will say that I am not great at
searching for answers to computer questions unless I have already
written down the instructions in my own files in a way that I
would understand them. I am so technologically challenged that
most manuals are not written in a vocabulary or step order that I
am able to follow.
It is good to hear that there are some here who do not mind us
asking questions on the list. I would have never learned some
things about NVDA, otherwise.
On 1/4/2021 11:36 AM, Brian Vogel
On Mon, Jan 4, 2021 at 11:28 AM, Mike Capelle wrote:
OMG, if someone asks me a question, I will answer it,
telling someone to look it up or research it, is rude!
Sorry, Mike, but I have to disagree, and not just in reference to
blind groups/lists, though I see what follows happen more
frequently on them.
Anyone, before they impose upon the time of over a thousand
people, should think about whether what they're about to ask is
likely already answered and whether the answers to same are
readily available to them without imposing on the time of others.
Expecting that someone will have lifted a finger before imposing
on the time of group members is not unreasonable, at all, and I
have seen many messages over the years where the effort to type
the subject and text took more effort than distilling what was in
the subject to a very tightly focused web search that would have
produced the answer many times over would have. It is lazy, and
rude, to ask that sort of question without having tried to find it
Another segment from my "Expectations of Members" document that I
have used in group rules elsewhere, but not on the NVDA Group, is
1. You will have done a
web search and/or group archive search before posting almost any
question, because the vast majority of questions relevant to
online communities have been answered, repeatedly. It is rude
to impose upon the time of hundreds to thousands of people
regarding questions that have answers that can be found
independently with very little effort and basic skills.
2. If you are told,
“There’s this thing called a web search,” or, “Google is your
friend,” or similar that you realize you deserve it. I have
yet to see this response to anything that does not warrant
it. If you ask something that indicates you didn’t follow the
practices outlined in items 2 thru 4, before asking online and
imposing on the time of others when that’s completely
unnecessary, this is a perfectly legitimate response to that.
You’ve been lazy and rude; don’t repeat that mistake.
3. If you receive a
reaction such as those in #5 above, the appropriate response
is NEVER to argue back. The one and only response that is
appropriate, if you actually do not have the skills to do your
own searching, is to ask for assistance in acquiring same,
period. Believe it or not, those who gave that reaction to
you will very often be your best assistants in acquiring the
skills you need. That reaction is meant as a nudge to you to
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