-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Christopher Gray
Sent: Friday, January 08, 2021 2:32 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Selecting Files vs. Selecting Directories

Gene and All:

I have mostly used treeview, but the behavior does not change in listview.

On my PC running Windows 10, Select just doesn't work. Only in listview can I select files. I cannot select folders anywhere.

Chris



-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Thursday, January 07, 2021 5:33 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Selecting Files vs. Selecting Directories

I never use the treeview, which are you using? I'm discussing a list view.
A list is a list, whether the list consists of folders, which you are calling directories, files, or both in the same list. These are standard list commands and they will work the same, regardless of whether the list consists of files, folders, or both. I'll let others who work with treeviews in this way discuss them.

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: Christopher Gray
Sent: Thursday, January 07, 2021 3:45 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Selecting Files vs. Selecting Directories



First, many thanks for this discussion. It has been helpful.



I did use “Selecting Files” in my original subject. But, I probably was of base in doing this. What I am actually trying to do is select groups of directories. I did not view this as any different than selecting a file but perhaps I am wrong in this. So, is selecting directories needing a different set of commands?



Thanks and sorry for not being clearer.



Chris







From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Chris Mullins
Sent: Thursday, January 07, 2021 3:27 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Selecting Files





Hi Gene

Well I’m using Windows 10 with NVDA 2020.3 and it clearly announces “not selected” after each file name as I use Control+Shift+DownArrow to move through the list of files immediately after opening File Explorer.
Similarly, if I select the first file then use Control+Shift+DownArrow, subsequent files are selected.



Had Chris known how the command works, he could have achieved what he wanted to do, so to say it’s the “wrong command” is unreasonable, particularly as you should know by now that in Windows, there are many ways to achieve the same thing. I was giving added value to the subject of file selection as yourself and others have done, just think of it as another tool in the box.



Cheers

Chris





From: Gene
Sent: 07 January 2021 16:58
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Selecting Files





Control shift down arrow is never used in moving through lists. it is the

wrong command to use for the purpose originally asked about and it is never

used in moving in a list in general.

When I use it with NVDA, I can move down the list but the selected or not

selected status of an item is not spoken and nothing is either selected or

unselected.



Control down arrow will tell you the status of items as you move. If an

item is selected, selected is not spoken. If an item isn't selected,

unselected is spoken. At least that is the case with NVDA. These movement

commands are Windows commands, not screen-reader commands. Windows has no

purpose or function for control shift when moving through a list.



Gene

-----Original Message-----

From: Chris Mullins

Sent: Thursday, January 07, 2021 10:40 AM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Subject: Re: [nvda] Selecting Files







Hi



It’s not the wrong command, you just need to understand how it works.

Control+shift+Down Arrow checks the selection status of the file in
Control+shift+focus

and applies the same selection status to files traversed by subsequent

presses of the command. When you first enter File Explorer, focus is on the

top file of the list but the file is not selected, so subsequent presses of

Control+Shift+Down Arrow did not select any files. Had Control+Spacebar

been pressed first to select the top file, subsequent files traversed would

also have been selected. This functionality makes it a more ergonomic

command to use than the Control+DownArrow and Control+Spacebar to select

command combination in situations where you are mostly selecting

non-contiguous blocks of files.







Cheers



Chris















From: Gene

Sent: 06 January 2021 23:35

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Subject: Re: [nvda] Selecting Files











It’s the wrong command. In a list, when you are selecting using shift, just



use shift.







Gene



----Original Message-----



From: Christopher Gray



Sent: Wednesday, January 06, 2021 4:44 PM



To: nvda@groups.io



Subject: [nvda] Selecting Files















Hello:















When I use ctrl+shft+downarrow or ctrl+shft+downarrow to select one or more



files, nothing is selected. I have tried changing scroll lock, testing my



keyboard under Windows 10 and other MS suggestions but to no avail. Any



thoughts here?















Many thanks.















Chris