Robert Doc Wright godfearer
quentin, is there a way to turn the welcome screen
back on?
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Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2021 8:25
PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] How to turn off
NVDA
Something weird certainly seems to be happening - NVDA DOES
appear in task manager, as any other running program does, and if you "end
task" it then it closes, just like any other program or process - although
pressing NVDA+Q then enter should achieve the same result.
If you have NVDA set to start on the logon screen, then as others have
noted, it will pop up when you get into a secure screen, but you mentioned you
didn't do that. The only thing I can think of is if the query about
sending usage information isn't answered - I must admit I haven't tested that
myself, I usually just say yes as soon as it comes up (you can say no and it
shouldn't make a difference - it sends a little extra non-identifiable
information about your system when NVDA checks for updates once a day - useful
for us, but not critical).
If NVDA isn't listed in your task manager (and the little purple and
white icon isn't in the notification area) then I wonder if it isn't Narrator
or some other text to speech program which is running not NVDA.
We have a few users who use NVDA as you have described, on demand,
enabling and disabling as needed, and I'm not aware of this being a wider
problem, but I'm interested to try to get to the bottom of it now.
Quentin.
To answer a previous question, she needs to be able to turn NVDA on and
off whenever she wants. She is extremely proficient with keyboard shortcuts
and only needs screen readers for things like reading emails, webpages, and
documents where the content is unknown and without sound. Having a screen
reader while she is working on music and sound editing work is
counterproductive.
While experimenting, I learned that the Task Manager did not really end
the task. It merely closed the welcome and quit dialogs. NVDA does not
show up in the active or background processes when it is running or when it
auto-launches. This at least explains why ending the task in Task Manager is
not a permanent "quit". But it does not explain why NVDA continues to run
after quit command and not displayed as a process.
When manually choosing OK button to close the welcome dialog, another
dialog opens asking about sending data to NVDA. When I selected "Remind Me
Later" option, that NVDA "reminder" appears in the background processes of
the Task Manager. When I ended that reminder running in the background in
task manager, NVDA does turn off and does not auto-launches. But NVDA does
not appear as a background app if I did not select that reminder option but
still continues to run and auto-launches.
Cleaning off the laptop, again, and reloading NVDA did not solve the
problem. For some reason, NVDA is running in the background without being
listed and cannot be completely turned off by the user which should not
happen for any program. NVDA was running even when there are no apps listed
as active in Task Manager.
As a work-around, she is set up now with two profiles, one with NVDA
and one without. Having a portable version is a good idea but
switching profiles was easier for her. I suspect that she will likely shift
to Narrator sooner than later.
If anyone else knows why NVDA does not appear as a process, active apps
or background, and why it keeps running after selecting Quit, please share
but I have no further clue on my own.
Date:
Friday, January 1, 2021, 10:20 AM
Subject:
[nvda] How to turn off NVDA
I realized today that one possible work around for the problem
hasn't been discussed. Don't have an installed version of NVDA on
the machine. Completely remove it. Then when running the
installer file, use the create portable version and create one wherever
you want on the c drive, I assume that is where you keep programs and
data.
Run that program, stop it in the usual NVDA key q way, and
see if it runs when it shouldn't. If you use a portable version,
there will be some things that can't be done when using Windows 10.
if these things don't interfere with how the person uses the machine, the
problem has been worked around.
If you want to pursue other
possible solutions discussed here, of course you may, but you may want to
try this first.
Gene
On 12/29/2020 10:09 AM, Gene
wrote:
I don't know what is causing the problem. I seem to
recall seeing someone discuss the same or a similar problem a number of
years ago. I don't recall if it was resolved or how. Is it
necessary to use this one computer? Trying another might be the
solution.
Gene
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Sent: Tuesday, December 29, 2020 9:58 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] How to turn off NVDA
Thank you
for the troubleshooting efforts.
We did not select the
option to launch NVDA at windows login. But even if it was, sounds like
NVDA should not auto-launch after closing unless activated by a person.
We did not change any other NVDA default settings.
So we
uninstalled and reinstalled NVDA but the same thing happens - Insert+Q,
dialog box open, default option is already Exit, dialog box closes but
NVDA continues to read the screen. Then when forced to close through the
Task Manager, NVDA still automatically relaunches at various times like
launching an app.
This is a new system so it should be
pretty clean. There are very few programs other than what came
pre-installed with the laptop. AVG was downloaded to confirm no viruses
on the computer or on the NVDA exe before we reinstalled. We even
checked the startup options in the Task Manager and NVDA is not on the
list. Our friend really wants NVDA but we are not sure what else to try.
On 12/28/2020 3:05 PM, Gene wrote:
I suspect
the reason NVDA automatically comes on when set to run at the login
screen when the secure desktop comes up may be that NVDA loads another
version of itself to run when the secure desktop opens. My guess
is that there is a relation between this and the setting to
automatically run at the login screen. Perhaps one of the
developers will discuss the matter.
Gene
-----Original
Message----- From: Brian Vogel
Sent: Monday, December 28, 2020 2:00
PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] How to
turn off NVDA
On Mon, Dec 28, 2020 at 02:21 PM, Bob Cavanaugh
wrote:
Actually, this isn't always the case. If the option to use
NVDA on the
log-on screen is checked, it annoyingly pops up on every
screen that
requires administrative action, and stays there until
you shut it off.-
This is news to me, and good information to
have. Most of the folks I've worked with who are using NVDA have
their systems set up to log them straight in to their desktops on system
(re)start, so they're not using that setting.
Several don't even
have any screen reader turn on initially by default, as they will choose
one based on what it is they're about to work with first if one screen
reader works with that software better than the other.
Other
than what you document above, which I've never seen because that setting
was not set, I have not encountered NVDA doing a self-restart once
explicitly exited from.
There are a number of possibilities
here, but if the situation you described is known to not have been set
up, I still strongly recommend an uninstall and reinstall to see if that
clears things up, and paying particular attention to the dialogs when
installing so the way you want NVDA to behave is actually set up
correctly.
--
Quentin
Christensen
Training and Support Manager
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