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Is NVDA in anyway affecting the screen or any key
commands? I ask because when I need it to be silent I press NVDA+s to turn
speech mode off. Then turn it back on with the same command pressing it until I
hear 'speech mode talk'.
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Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2021 8:49
Subject: Re: [nvda] How to turn off
I made sure not to turn on at logon as that was her preference. But even
if I did, that should not prevent nvda from being manually turned off and/or
auto-launch on its own.
Someone else had mentioned that a NVDA pop-up appears for admin functions
like launching aps(?) but not the program itself does not auto-launch. Could
something similar be happening here that is triggering the program to
auto-launch in full instead of just displaying a pop-up?
I checked throughout Task Manager to see if NVDA is listed
anywhere - active apps, background apps, details, startup, etc. The only time
it appears in active apps is if there is a dialog or menu displayed. The only
time I found it in the background apps is when I selected remind me later
option for sending info.
Anything else come to mind that I haven't already tried?
Tuesday, January 12, 2021, 10:25 PM
[nvda] How to turn off NVDA
Something weird certainly seems to be happening - NVDA DOES
appear in task manager, as any other running program does, and if you "end
task" it then it closes, just like any other program or process - although
pressing NVDA+Q then enter should achieve the same result.
If you have NVDA set to start on the logon screen, then as others have
noted, it will pop up when you get into a secure screen, but you mentioned
you didn't do that. The only thing I can think of is if the query
about sending usage information isn't answered - I must admit I haven't
tested that myself, I usually just say yes as soon as it comes up (you can
say no and it shouldn't make a difference - it sends a little extra
non-identifiable information about your system when NVDA checks for updates
once a day - useful for us, but not critical).
If NVDA isn't listed in your task manager (and the little purple and
white icon isn't in the notification area) then I wonder if it isn't
Narrator or some other text to speech program which is running not
We have a few users who use NVDA as you have described, on demand,
enabling and disabling as needed, and I'm not aware of this being a wider
problem, but I'm interested to try to get to the bottom of it now.
To answer a previous question, she needs to be able to turn NVDA on
and off whenever she wants. She is extremely proficient with keyboard
shortcuts and only needs screen readers for things like reading emails,
webpages, and documents where the content is unknown and without sound.
Having a screen reader while she is working on music and sound editing
work is counterproductive.
While experimenting, I learned that the Task Manager did not really
end the task. It merely closed the welcome and quit dialogs. NVDA
does not show up in the active or background processes when it is running
or when it auto-launches. This at least explains why ending the task in
Task Manager is not a permanent "quit". But it does not explain why NVDA
continues to run after quit command and not displayed as a
When manually choosing OK button to close the welcome dialog, another
dialog opens asking about sending data to NVDA. When I selected "Remind Me
Later" option, that NVDA "reminder" appears in the background processes of
the Task Manager. When I ended that reminder running in the background in
task manager, NVDA does turn off and does not auto-launches. But NVDA does
not appear as a background app if I did not select that reminder option
but still continues to run and auto-launches.
Cleaning off the laptop, again, and reloading NVDA did not solve the
problem. For some reason, NVDA is running in the background without being
listed and cannot be completely turned off by the user which should not
happen for any program. NVDA was running even when there are no apps
listed as active in Task Manager.
As a work-around, she is set up now with two profiles, one with NVDA
and one without. Having a portable version is a good idea but
switching profiles was easier for her. I suspect that she will likely
shift to Narrator sooner than later.
If anyone else knows why NVDA does not appear as a process, active
apps or background, and why it keeps running after selecting Quit, please
share but I have no further clue on my own.
Friday, January 1, 2021, 10:20 AM
[nvda] How to turn off NVDA
I realized today that one possible work around for the
problem hasn't been discussed. Don't have an installed version of
NVDA on the machine. Completely remove it. Then when running
the installer file, use the create portable version and create one
wherever you want on the c drive, I assume that is where you keep
programs and data.
Run that program, stop it in the usual NVDA
key q way, and see if it runs when it shouldn't. If you use a
portable version, there will be some things that can't be done when
using Windows 10. if these things don't interfere with how the
person uses the machine, the problem has been worked around.
If you want to pursue other possible solutions discussed
here, of course you may, but you may want to try this first.
On 12/29/2020 10:09 AM, Gene wrote:
I don't know what is causing the problem. I seem to
recall seeing someone discuss the same or a similar problem a number
of years ago. I don't recall if it was resolved or how. Is
it necessary to use this one computer? Trying another might be the
-----Original Message----- From: Food Posse
Sent: Tuesday, December 29, 2020 9:58 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda]
How to turn off NVDA
Thank you for the troubleshooting
We did not select the option to launch NVDA at
windows login. But even if it was, sounds like NVDA should not
auto-launch after closing unless activated by a person. We did not
change any other NVDA default settings.
So we uninstalled and
reinstalled NVDA but the same thing happens - Insert+Q, dialog box
open, default option is already Exit, dialog box closes but NVDA
continues to read the screen. Then when forced to close through the
Task Manager, NVDA still automatically relaunches at various times
like launching an app.
This is a new system so it should
be pretty clean. There are very few programs other than what came
pre-installed with the laptop. AVG was downloaded to confirm no
viruses on the computer or on the NVDA exe before we reinstalled. We
even checked the startup options in the Task Manager and NVDA is not
on the list. Our friend really wants NVDA but we are not sure what
else to try.
On 12/28/2020 3:05 PM, Gene
I suspect the reason NVDA automatically comes on when set
to run at the login screen when the secure desktop comes up may be
that NVDA loads another version of itself to run when the secure
desktop opens. My guess is that there is a relation between this
and the setting to automatically run at the login screen.
Perhaps one of the developers will discuss the matter.
-----Original Message----- From: Brian Vogel
December 28, 2020 2:00 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] How to turn off NVDA
On Mon, Dec 28,
2020 at 02:21 PM, Bob Cavanaugh wrote:
Actually, this isn't always
the case. If the option to use NVDA on the
log-on screen is
checked, it annoyingly pops up on every screen that
administrative action, and stays there until you shut it off.-
This is news to me, and good information to have. Most of
the folks I've worked with who are using NVDA have their systems set
up to log them straight in to their desktops on system (re)start, so
they're not using that setting.
Several don't even have any
screen reader turn on initially by default, as they will choose one
based on what it is they're about to work with first if one screen
reader works with that software better than the other.
than what you document above, which I've never seen because that
setting was not set, I have not encountered NVDA doing a self-restart
once explicitly exited from.
There are a number of
possibilities here, but if the situation you described is known to not
have been set up, I still strongly recommend an uninstall and
reinstall to see if that clears things up, and paying particular
attention to the dialogs when installing so the way you want NVDA to
behave is actually set up correctly.
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