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I am sussing out gmail on the web you mention the 2 views and one
standard view is better to use where are those 2 views found? if
you wanted to sus them both out. Does it start off in standard
view first? I did find the short cuts and turned them on been a
radio button. \i also noted to change between browse and focus
mode to see some sections in gmail. Plus noting shortcut keys etc
that I might look at putting into a basic tutorial for gmail.
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On 6/05/2021 10:16 am, Nimer Jaber
Navigate to settings, see all settings, and under the
general tax, close to the bottom, there are radio buttons for
turning on and off keyboard shortcuts. I do wish this was
easier, nonetheless that is the process. It may be good to
utilize screen reader find to find these controls.
This sounds like a great thing to learn. How do you turn
on the shortcut keys in gmail? I tried looking for it but
couldn't find it.
On 5/5/2021 1:50 PM, Nimer Jaber wrote:
If Brian gets upset, we'll tell him to get over
himself, but this topic is very dear to me, so we can
make an exception, I am sure, for discussing non-NVDA
topics on this list, although I will do my best to
make it relate to NVDA.
Trainers are behind the curve on teaching people
how to use web apps. Web app developers are creating
these wonderful new accessible web apps, and blind
people are still stuck with the old, non-web apps.
This is a shame, a complete shame.
First, I recommend using Gmail on the web instead
of Outlook as it does not require an office
subscription. It does not require configuring and
setting up of email clients. It can be used on any
machine with a web browser. It is not necessarily
screen reader specific, so for the most part, what
works with JAWS will work with NVDA, will work with
Narrator, will work with Orca, will work with
Voiceover. About the only thing you must know is how
to switch between browse and focus mode, or your
particular screen reader's name for that command.
Why do I say that using Gmail with the standard
interface is better than even the basic HTML mode?
Because it is much more efficient to traverse through
the email list, as long as keyboard shortcuts are
turned on and learned. Press up/down arrow to move up
and down the list. Press x to select messages. Press e
or y to archive messages. Press # to delete them.
Press enter to open a thread. Press n to read the next
message in the thread, press p to read the prior
message in the thread. Press r to reply, a to reply
all, f to forward, b to snooze a message and act on it
later. Press / to search the messages, and easily type
the label name where that message can be found, such
as in:sent or in:trash. Easily move messages and sort
them into labels and bundles. Easily create events and
tasks from emails. Easily chat with, and create
meetings with people you wish to interact with, and do
so right from Gmail if you wish. Press c to compose,
press ctrl+shift+c to 'cc' and press ctrl+shift+b to
BCC. Press ctrl+enter to send, ctrl+shift+d to
discard. Press lots of commands to format text, create
bulleted and numbered lists, adjust blockquote
indentations, move to misspelled words, etc. Press tab
to look through spelling and grammar suggestions,
etc., etc. You can easily find a list of these
keyboard shortcuts by pressing ? when logged into
Gmail. If you don't like the shortcuts, you can create
your own in the Gmail settings. And, much of what you
learn can be applied to other sites, too. For
instance, on Facebook and on Twitter, keyboard
shortcuts exist to accomplish many tasks and to
navigate to where you want to go, on YouTube Music and
spottify, shortcuts exist to control music playback,
and so on. Basic HTML mode doesn't have or allow for
I wish trainers would touch more on web apps, but
many still believe that the best way for people to
access Gmail is through basic HTML, the best way to
check email is with Outlook, and the best thing since
sliced bread is a BrailleNote. Technology trainers can
be some of the most difficult people to work with
because many, not all, are so entrenched in what they
know how to teach, how they learned to teach it, and
what they themselves are using, that they refuse to
open their minds to the possibility that there is a
different way of teaching, a new standard out, new
types of devices that may benefit people more than
what they have been accustomed to. It's the same
attitude that won't even show blind people an Android
device, instead choosing that iOS is superior and
should work best for everyone, never mind the needs
and desires of the person they are working with.
So, if I can accomplish anything by sending this
off-topic thread, and this babble, it is to get people
to at least try to step out of the box, try something
you may not be comfortable with, and accept that there
may be tools and methods out there which will enhance
your productivity and make your life easier that don't
require struggling with Outlook and Thunderbird. By
the way, I don't know if it is because checking email
is so popular or what, but I tend to see more
email-related qupestions across the varying tech lists
with people struggling with Outlook and Thunderbird
than pretty much anything else, and very few are using
webmail, have given it a fair shot, and still fewer
are using webmail through the standard interfaces.
Google Docs is accessible, Gmail standard is
accessible, Office 365 online web version is
accessible, they may require a bit of a learning
curve, but they are accessible and usable, and those
tools tend to see the most work put into them these
days in terms of accessibility and usability across
many companies, simply because those tools can be used
on Chromebooks, Macs, Linux, Windows, etc., without
requiring separate desktop apps. All that is required
is a browser and an Internet connection (not even a
very fast one.)
On Wed, May 5, 2021 at
1:28 PM Louise Pfau <lpfau@...
Hi. I find it easier to navigate the gmail
interface with “Basic HTML view” vs. “Standard
view”. This is probably due to the fact that
when I was first taught how to set up and work
with my gmail account, I was instructed to use
“Basic HTML view” in order to get the most
accessible interface. I know this is not
strictly related to NVDA though.
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