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I finally found it to see which view I was in and it seems it
depends on the browser and which view you might get. but you can
switch between them.. I will have to check again basically I went
to settings, pressed the space bar thenchanged to focus mode then
tab quite a few times to locate it. funny that up the top of the
page it seemed like it was down the page quite a bit but maybe
the way I have it setup is through thunder bird and works well
for me but is no harm learning the gmail interface as well I guess
we never stop learning and if it helps else where is a good thing.
On 6/05/2021 4:27 pm, Rosemarie
Hi, Gene NZ,
Yes, I think it does start out in standard view. I found a
button at the top of the page for the basic HTML setting.
On 5/5/2021 7:40 PM, hurrikennyandopo
I am sussing out gmail on the web you mention the 2 views and
one standard view is better to use where are those 2 views
found? if you wanted to sus them both out. Does it start off
in standard view first? I did find the short cuts and turned
them on been a radio button. \i also noted to change between
browse and focus mode to see some sections in gmail. Plus
noting shortcut keys etc that I might look at putting into a
basic tutorial for gmail.
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On 6/05/2021 10:16 am, Nimer Jaber
Navigate to settings, see all settings, and under the
general tax, close to the bottom, there are radio buttons
for turning on and off keyboard shortcuts. I do wish this
was easier, nonetheless that is the process. It may be
good to utilize screen reader find to find these controls.
This sounds like a great thing to learn. How do you
turn on the shortcut keys in gmail? I tried looking
for it but couldn't find it.
On 5/5/2021 1:50 PM, Nimer Jaber wrote:
If Brian gets upset, we'll tell him to get over
himself, but this topic is very dear to me, so we
can make an exception, I am sure, for discussing
non-NVDA topics on this list, although I will do
my best to make it relate to NVDA.
Trainers are behind the curve on teaching
people how to use web apps. Web app developers are
creating these wonderful new accessible web apps,
and blind people are still stuck with the old,
non-web apps. This is a shame, a complete shame.
First, I recommend using Gmail on the web
instead of Outlook as it does not require an
office subscription. It does not require
configuring and setting up of email clients. It
can be used on any machine with a web browser. It
is not necessarily screen reader specific, so for
the most part, what works with JAWS will work with
NVDA, will work with Narrator, will work with
Orca, will work with Voiceover. About the only
thing you must know is how to switch between
browse and focus mode, or your particular screen
reader's name for that command.
Why do I say that using Gmail with the standard
interface is better than even the basic HTML mode?
Because it is much more efficient to traverse
through the email list, as long as keyboard
shortcuts are turned on and learned. Press up/down
arrow to move up and down the list. Press x to
select messages. Press e or y to archive messages.
Press # to delete them. Press enter to open a
thread. Press n to read the next message in the
thread, press p to read the prior message in the
thread. Press r to reply, a to reply all, f to
forward, b to snooze a message and act on it
later. Press / to search the messages, and easily
type the label name where that message can be
found, such as in:sent or in:trash. Easily move
messages and sort them into labels and bundles.
Easily create events and tasks from emails. Easily
chat with, and create meetings with people you
wish to interact with, and do so right from Gmail
if you wish. Press c to compose, press
ctrl+shift+c to 'cc' and press ctrl+shift+b to
BCC. Press ctrl+enter to send, ctrl+shift+d to
discard. Press lots of commands to format text,
create bulleted and numbered lists, adjust
blockquote indentations, move to misspelled words,
etc. Press tab to look through spelling and
grammar suggestions, etc., etc. You can easily
find a list of these keyboard shortcuts by
pressing ? when logged into Gmail. If you don't
like the shortcuts, you can create your own in the
Gmail settings. And, much of what you learn can be
applied to other sites, too. For instance, on
Facebook and on Twitter, keyboard shortcuts exist
to accomplish many tasks and to navigate to where
you want to go, on YouTube Music and spottify,
shortcuts exist to control music playback, and so
on. Basic HTML mode doesn't have or allow for
I wish trainers would touch more on web apps,
but many still believe that the best way for
people to access Gmail is through basic HTML, the
best way to check email is with Outlook, and the
best thing since sliced bread is a BrailleNote.
Technology trainers can be some of the most
difficult people to work with because many, not
all, are so entrenched in what they know how to
teach, how they learned to teach it, and what they
themselves are using, that they refuse to open
their minds to the possibility that there is a
different way of teaching, a new standard out, new
types of devices that may benefit people more than
what they have been accustomed to. It's the same
attitude that won't even show blind people an
Android device, instead choosing that iOS is
superior and should work best for everyone, never
mind the needs and desires of the person they are
So, if I can accomplish anything by sending
this off-topic thread, and this babble, it is to
get people to at least try to step out of the box,
try something you may not be comfortable with, and
accept that there may be tools and methods out
there which will enhance your productivity and
make your life easier that don't require
struggling with Outlook and Thunderbird. By the
way, I don't know if it is because checking email
is so popular or what, but I tend to see more
email-related qupestions across the varying tech
lists with people struggling with Outlook and
Thunderbird than pretty much anything else, and
very few are using webmail, have given it a fair
shot, and still fewer are using webmail through
the standard interfaces. Google Docs is
accessible, Gmail standard is accessible, Office
365 online web version is accessible, they may
require a bit of a learning curve, but they are
accessible and usable, and those tools tend to see
the most work put into them these days in terms of
accessibility and usability across many companies,
simply because those tools can be used on
Chromebooks, Macs, Linux, Windows, etc., without
requiring separate desktop apps. All that is
required is a browser and an Internet connection
(not even a very fast one.)
On Wed, May 5,
2021 at 1:28 PM Louise Pfau <lpfau@...
Hi. I find it easier to navigate the
gmail interface with “Basic HTML view” vs.
“Standard view”. This is probably due to
the fact that when I was first taught how
to set up and work with my gmail account,
I was instructed to use “Basic HTML view”
in order to get the most accessible
interface. I know this is not strictly
related to NVDA though.
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