Sorry, in the standard view.
On Fri, May 7, 2021 at 8:49 AM Gene < gsasner@...> wrote:
using which view, or both? Your message doesn’t specify.
Gene
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Subject: Re: [nvda] Using gmail with "Basic HTML view" vs. "standard
view"
Is there a way in Gmail to skip quickly from the top of a list of
messages to the bottom with NVDA?
Thanks
Jonathan
It used to be basic html view is the best for screen reader but
google has improve tremendously I dare to say, at least 5 years or so.
the standard view is slow and clunky and sometimes it just didn't
load properly. but thats long time ago when I first started to use more than
10 years ago.
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No issues. I've loaded over 200 messages in my junk folder and
have jumped with k to each successive one.
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On 6 May 2021, at 6:40, Nimer Jaber wrote:
Hello,
No, I am not noticing this. Which browser are you using? And, which
version of NVDA? There have been improvements made to the responsiveness
of Gmail, particularly in the new beta, though they can be toggled on
experimentally in the developer settings of NVDA, and I don't remember
seeing this issue before anyway.
You can change the number of conversations on a page. I do have mine
set to 100.
On Thu, May 6, 2021 at 6:18 AM Jonathan
Milam < milamj@...> wrote:
Thanks,
Nimer. This is perfect. In the standard view, is anyone else
seeing that NVDA seems to pause after every 10 messages? It’s
almost like it is waiting for 10 more messages to load. Is this
something that is changeable?
Jonathan
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io
<nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Nimer
Jaber
Sent: Wednesday, May 5, 2021 7:36 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda]
Using gmail with "Basic HTML view" vs. "standard view"
Once you open the message, press n. Then, if you want
to read the message in more detail, press insert+space to go into browse
mode, then navigate as you would a web page.
On Wed, May 5, 2021 at 3:28 PM Jonathan Milam <milamj@...>
wrote:
What is the easiest way to navigate quickly to the
body of a message in the GMAIL interface with NVDA?
Hello,
Navigate to settings, see all settings, and under
the general tax, close to the bottom, there are radio buttons for
turning on and off keyboard shortcuts. I do wish this was easier,
nonetheless that is the process. It may be good to utilize screen
reader find to find these controls.
Hi, Nimer,
This sounds like a great thing to learn. How do you turn on the
shortcut keys in gmail? I tried looking for it but couldn't find
it.
Rosemarie
On 5/5/2021 1:50 PM, Nimer Jaber
wrote:
Hello,
If Brian gets upset, we'll tell him to get
over himself, but this topic is very dear to me, so we can make
an exception, I am sure, for discussing non-NVDA topics on this
list, although I will do my best to make it relate to
NVDA.
Trainers are behind the curve on teaching
people how to use web apps. Web app developers are creating
these wonderful new accessible web apps, and blind people are
still stuck with the old, non-web apps. This is a shame, a
complete shame.
First, I recommend using Gmail on the web
instead of Outlook as it does not require an office
subscription. It does not require configuring and setting up of
email clients. It can be used on any machine with a web browser.
It is not necessarily screen reader specific, so for the most
part, what works with JAWS will work with NVDA, will work with
Narrator, will work with Orca, will work with Voiceover. About
the only thing you must know is how to switch between browse and
focus mode, or your particular screen reader's name for that
command.
Why do I say that using Gmail with the
standard interface is better than even the basic HTML mode?
Because it is much more efficient to traverse through the email
list, as long as keyboard shortcuts are turned on and learned.
Press up/down arrow to move up and down the list. Press x to
select messages. Press e or y to archive messages. Press # to
delete them. Press enter to open a thread. Press n to read the
next message in the thread, press p to read the prior message in
the thread. Press r to reply, a to reply all, f to forward, b to
snooze a message and act on it later. Press / to search the
messages, and easily type the label name where that message can
be found, such as in:sent or in:trash. Easily move messages and
sort them into labels and bundles. Easily create events and
tasks from emails. Easily chat with, and create meetings with
people you wish to interact with, and do so right from Gmail if
you wish. Press c to compose, press ctrl+shift+c to 'cc' and
press ctrl+shift+b to BCC. Press ctrl+enter to send,
ctrl+shift+d to discard. Press lots of commands to format text,
create bulleted and numbered lists, adjust blockquote
indentations, move to misspelled words, etc. Press tab to look
through spelling and grammar suggestions, etc., etc. You can
easily find a list of these keyboard shortcuts by pressing ?
when logged into Gmail. If you don't like the shortcuts, you can
create your own in the Gmail settings. And, much of what you
learn can be applied to other sites, too. For instance, on
Facebook and on Twitter, keyboard shortcuts exist to accomplish
many tasks and to navigate to where you want to go, on YouTube
Music and spottify, shortcuts exist to control music playback,
and so on. Basic HTML mode doesn't have or allow for these
shortcuts.
I wish trainers would touch more on web apps,
but many still believe that the best way for people to access
Gmail is through basic HTML, the best way to check email is with
Outlook, and the best thing since sliced bread is a BrailleNote.
Technology trainers can be some of the most difficult people to
work with because many, not all, are so entrenched in what they
know how to teach, how they learned to teach it, and what they
themselves are using, that they refuse to open their minds to
the possibility that there is a different way of teaching, a new
standard out, new types of devices that may benefit people more
than what they have been accustomed to. It's the same attitude
that won't even show blind people an Android device, instead
choosing that iOS is superior and should work best for everyone,
never mind the needs and desires of the person they are working
with.
So, if I can accomplish anything by sending
this off-topic thread, and this babble, it is to get people to
at least try to step out of the box, try something you may not
be comfortable with, and accept that there may be tools and
methods out there which will enhance your productivity and make
your life easier that don't require struggling with Outlook and
Thunderbird. By the way, I don't know if it is because checking
email is so popular or what, but I tend to see more
email-related qupestions across the varying tech lists with
people struggling with Outlook and Thunderbird than pretty much
anything else, and very few are using webmail, have given it a
fair shot, and still fewer are using webmail through the
standard interfaces. Google Docs is accessible, Gmail standard
is accessible, Office 365 online web version is accessible, they
may require a bit of a learning curve, but they are accessible
and usable, and those tools tend to see the most work put into
them these days in terms of accessibility and usability across
many companies, simply because those tools can be used on
Chromebooks, Macs, Linux, Windows, etc., without requiring
separate desktop apps. All that is required is a browser and an
Internet connection (not even a very fast one.)
On Wed, May 5, 2021 at 1:28 PM Louise Pfau
<lpfau@...> wrote:
Hi. I find it easier to navigate the
gmail interface with “Basic HTML view” vs. “Standard
view”. This is probably due to the fact that when I was
first taught how to set up and work with my gmail account, I
was instructed to use “Basic HTML view” in order to get the
most accessible interface. I know this is not strictly related
to NVDA though.
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