Thanks very much for the tip!
Jonathan
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I tend to issue ctrl+home to go to the top
of the page. Then I issue X to find the first email on the
screen if there is one. I next issue a comma to drop out of the
list. I then issue shift+X to find the previous email. This
has worked well for me if I want to find the last email on the
screen.
You could just go to the bottom of the
page and then issue shift+x but this will find a check box below
the table of emails first if there is any.
Dan Beaver
On 5/7/2021 8:43 AM, Jonathan Milam
wrote:
Is there a way in Gmail to skip quickly from the
top of a list of messages to the bottom with NVDA?
Thanks
Jonathan
It used to be basic html view is the best for
screen reader but google has improve tremendously I dare to
say, at least 5 years or so.
the standard view is slow and clunky and sometimes it
just didn't load properly. but thats long time ago when I
first started to use more than 10 years ago.
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No issues. I've loaded over 200
messages in my junk folder and have jumped with k
to each successive one.
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On 6 May 2021, at 6:40, Nimer Jaber
wrote:
Hello,
No, I am not noticing this. Which browser
are you using? And, which version of NVDA?
There have been improvements made to the
responsiveness of Gmail, particularly in the
new beta, though they can be toggled on
experimentally in the developer settings of
NVDA, and I don't remember seeing this issue
before anyway.
You can change the number of conversations
on a page. I do have mine set to 100.
On Thu, May 6,
2021 at 6:18 AM Jonathan Milam < milamj@...>
wrote:
Thanks, Nimer.
This is perfect. In the standard
view, is anyone else seeing that NVDA
seems to pause after every 10
messages? It’s almost like it is
waiting for 10 more messages to load.
Is this something that is changeable?
Jonathan
From:
nvda@nvda.groups.io
<nvda@nvda.groups.io>
On Behalf Of Nimer Jaber
Sent: Wednesday, May 5, 2021
7:36 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Using gmail
with "Basic HTML view" vs. "standard
view"
Once you open the
message, press n. Then, if you want to
read the message in more detail, press
insert+space to go into browse mode,
then navigate as you would a web page.
On Wed, May 5,
2021 at 3:28 PM Jonathan Milam <milamj@...>
wrote:
What is the
easiest way to navigate quickly to
the body of a message in the GMAIL
interface with NVDA?
Hello,
Navigate
to settings, see all
settings, and under the
general tax, close to
the bottom, there are
radio buttons for
turning on and off
keyboard shortcuts. I do
wish this was easier,
nonetheless that is the
process. It may be good
to utilize screen reader
find to find these
controls.
Hi, Nimer,
This sounds like a
great thing to learn.
How do you turn on the
shortcut keys in
gmail? I tried looking
for it but couldn't
find it.
Rosemarie
On
5/5/2021 1:50 PM,
Nimer Jaber wrote:
Hello,
If
Brian gets
upset, we'll
tell him to get
over himself,
but this topic
is very dear to
me, so we can
make an
exception, I am
sure, for
discussing
non-NVDA topics
on this list,
although I will
do my best to
make it relate
to NVDA.
Trainers
are behind the
curve on
teaching people
how to use web
apps. Web app
developers are
creating these
wonderful new
accessible web
apps, and blind
people are still
stuck with the
old, non-web
apps. This is a
shame, a
complete shame.
First,
I recommend
using Gmail on
the web instead
of Outlook as it
does not require
an office
subscription. It
does not require
configuring and
setting up of
email clients.
It can be used
on any machine
with a web
browser. It is
not necessarily
screen reader
specific, so for
the most part,
what works with
JAWS will work
with NVDA, will
work with
Narrator, will
work with Orca,
will work with
Voiceover. About
the only thing
you must know is
how to switch
between browse
and focus mode,
or your
particular
screen reader's
name for that
command.
Why
do I say that
using Gmail with
the standard
interface is
better than even
the basic HTML
mode? Because it
is much more
efficient to
traverse through
the email
list, as long as
keyboard
shortcuts are
turned on and
learned. Press
up/down arrow to
move up and down
the list. Press
x to select
messages. Press
e or y to
archive
messages. Press
# to delete
them. Press
enter to open a
thread. Press n
to read the next
message in the
thread, press p
to read the
prior message in
the thread.
Press r to
reply, a to
reply all, f to
forward, b to
snooze a message
and act on it
later. Press /
to search the
messages, and
easily type the
label name where
that message can
be found, such
as in:sent or
in:trash. Easily
move messages
and sort them
into labels and
bundles. Easily
create events
and tasks from
emails. Easily
chat with, and
create meetings
with people you
wish to interact
with, and do so
right from Gmail
if you wish.
Press c to
compose, press
ctrl+shift+c to
'cc' and press
ctrl+shift+b to
BCC. Press
ctrl+enter to
send,
ctrl+shift+d to
discard. Press
lots of commands
to format text,
create bulleted
and numbered
lists, adjust
blockquote
indentations,
move to
misspelled
words, etc.
Press tab to
look through
spelling and
grammar
suggestions,
etc., etc. You
can easily find
a list of these
keyboard
shortcuts by
pressing ? when
logged into
Gmail. If you
don't like the
shortcuts, you
can create your
own in the Gmail
settings. And,
much of what you
learn can be
applied to other
sites, too. For
instance, on
Facebook and on
Twitter,
keyboard
shortcuts exist
to accomplish
many tasks and
to navigate to
where you want
to go, on
YouTube Music
and spottify,
shortcuts exist
to control music
playback, and so
on. Basic HTML
mode doesn't
have or allow
for these
shortcuts.
I
wish trainers
would touch more
on web apps, but
many still
believe that the
best way for
people to access
Gmail is through
basic HTML, the
best way to
check email is
with Outlook,
and the best
thing since
sliced bread is
a BrailleNote.
Technology
trainers can be
some of the most
difficult people
to work with
because many,
not all, are so
entrenched in
what they know
how to teach,
how they learned
to teach it, and
what they
themselves are
using, that they
refuse to open
their minds to
the possibility
that there is a
different way of
teaching, a new
standard out,
new types of
devices that may
benefit people
more than what
they have been
accustomed to.
It's the same
attitude that
won't even show
blind people an
Android device,
instead choosing
that iOS is
superior and
should work best
for everyone,
never mind the
needs and
desires of the
person they are
working with.
So,
if I can
accomplish
anything by
sending this
off-topic
thread, and this
babble, it is to
get people to at
least try to
step out of the
box, try
something you
may not be
comfortable
with, and accept
that there may
be tools and
methods out
there which will
enhance your
productivity and
make your life
easier that
don't require
struggling with
Outlook and
Thunderbird. By
the way, I don't
know if it is
because checking
email is so
popular or what,
but I tend to
see more
email-related
qupestions
across the
varying tech
lists with
people
struggling with
Outlook and
Thunderbird than
pretty much
anything else,
and very few are
using webmail,
have given it a
fair shot, and
still fewer are
using webmail
through the
standard
interfaces.
Google Docs is
accessible,
Gmail standard
is accessible,
Office 365
online web
version is
accessible, they
may require a
bit of a
learning curve,
but they are
accessible and
usable, and
those tools tend
to see the most
work put into
them these days
in terms of
accessibility
and usability
across many
companies,
simply because
those tools can
be used on
Chromebooks,
Macs, Linux,
Windows, etc.,
without
requiring
separate desktop
apps. All that
is required is a
browser and an
Internet
connection (not
even a very fast
one.)
On
Wed, May 5, 2021
at 1:28 PM
Louise Pfau <lpfau@...>
wrote:
Hi.
I find it
easier to
navigate the
gmail
interface with
“Basic HTML
view” vs.
“Standard
view”. This
is probably
due to the
fact that when
I was first
taught how to
set up and
work with my
gmail account,
I was
instructed to
use “Basic
HTML view” in
order to get
the most
accessible
interface. I
know this is
not strictly
related to
NVDA though.
--
Best,
Nimer Jaber
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