Re: NVDA's normal navigation mode


Gene
 

I seldom use JAWS, but I find the sounds to be unpleasant. 
 
But I’m concerned in this case with one use of the sounds.  I think that when yu use NVDDA space to toggle browse mode off and on, speech is preferable.  And JAWS doesn’t have sounds when you toggle the Virtual PC cursor off and on with JAWS key z. 
 
If someone wants to say that they would  rather hear sounds when browse mode is automatically turned off and on when you move through a page, that makes sense.  I think the sound for browse mode off is a poor choice, but my objection is to not having speech when you use the NVDA key space toggle as the default..
 
Gene

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Sent: Friday, May 28, 2021 10:38 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA's normal navigation mode
 

The sounds is simply another indicator of what is going on. Do the sounds associated with forms mode in Jaws bug you as well?

 

I hear two things in the higher pitched sound. A manual typewriter key sound, and a short square wave tone at around 1,400 Hz, or 6th octave F. the other sound for that toggle appears to be simply a short square wave at 440 Hz or rth octave A.

 

 

On 2021-05-28 11:27 a.m., Gene wrote:
If it were a typing sound, it might make more sense.  But it is something like a high pitched camera sound you might heare on a phone.  It doesn’t have any association with a mode and I find the sound to be grating and annoying. 
 
Also, for those learning NVDA, I don’t think sound should be used.  Repetition is important in learning and hearing actual words would help those learning both become more aware of the terms and perhaps be more aware of when they are in which mode. 
 
Gene
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Sent: Friday, May 28, 2021 10:06 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA's normal navigation mode
 

The typing sound means focused mode, the bop noise means browse mode, it makes sense actually.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Friday, May 28, 2021 7:47 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA's normal navigation mode

 

NVDA space toggles browse mode off and on.  But if you are using sound for the notification, I don’t know which sound means what and I don’t like using sounds instead of speech in such ways.  I have NVDA set to say browse mode when it is on and focus mode when it is off.  If you want to change from sound to speech, I’ll explain how to do it. 

 

Also, by default, NVDA automatically changes from Browse Mode to focus mode and back again depending on what structures you move to in a web page and how you move.

 

I am very much against this being default behavior.  I think it is confusing to new students of NVDA and causes them to concentrate on learning when the automatic changes occur when what they should be concentrating on is when to use which mode.  Manually changing from mode to mode, in my opinion, helps create understanding and helps concentration be on what it should be on, not a secondary consideration.

 

You can change this behavior as well, if you want.

 

Gene

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From: anthony borg

Sent: Friday, May 28, 2021 9:29 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA's normal navigation mode

 

Hi gene

I am referring to the internet and brouser mode. Sorry if I wasn’t very clear with what I was asking.

Regards

 

Anthony

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: 28 May 2021 14:45
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA's normal navigation mode

 

It isn’t clear what you are asking about.  Are you asking about navigating using what in JAWS would be called the PC cursor?  You may be asking about the Internet and browse mode but that should be clarified. 

 

Gene

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From: anthony borg

Sent: Friday, May 28, 2021 3:18 AM

Subject: [nvda] NVDA's normal navigation mode

 

Hi can someone explain to me what is the commands to toggle on or off the NVDA’s normal navigation mode please?

Thanks in advance

 

Anthony

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