locked Re: Updated Firefox to version 89, can no longer use w/NVDA


Gene
 

He is, but that doesn’t answer the questions I posed.  I don’t know what his work is nor if there are anywhere near enough screen-reader beta or alfa testers. 
 
I said in my first message on the subject that the problem should have been discovered long before release.  That may not be the case.  I don’t know how many people will be affected and I doubt anyone knows now.  Even so, the incident raises these questions.  There was an incident perhaps six or eight months ago where the status line in Thunderbird was misconfigured so speech was forced and a great deal of intrusive information was reported.  This wasn’t a problem that may only have affected a small percent of users.  It affected all NVDA Thunderbird users.  It may not have affected other screen-reader users, I don’t know but again, why wasn’t the problem known or corrected until after the production release?
 
Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: Jackie
Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 2021 5:35 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Updated Firefox to version 89, can no longer use w/NVDA
 
I thought James Teh was a Mozilla employee?

On 6/2/21, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:
> The episode raises questions.  Are there blind people beta testing and if
> so, how many are there?  The number appears to be inadequate since this
> problem should have been found long before release.  Should Mozilla,
> whatever it does or doesn’t do now, recruit testers on various lists and
> from blindness advocacy organizations?
>
> Do developers generally not recruit testers who have specific testing
> purposes?
>
> Gene
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jackie
> Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 2021 5:24 PM
> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
> Subject: Re: [nvda] Updated Firefox to version 89, can no longer use w/NVDA
>
> I have reported this on Bugzilla. The bug number is 1714212. If others
> would like to search it out & leave a comment confirming it, obviously
> the more the merrier (or sadder, actually). But I do encourage anyone
> experiencing it to let the Mozilla folks know that's the case. It'll
> likely receive more attention that way.
>
> On 6/2/21, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:
>> That isn’t what I was referring to.  I was referring to changing the word
>> options to settings.  Changing this one word will create an enormous
>> amount
>> of work for the volunteers who write and keep help articles current.
>>
>> Gene
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: JM Casey
>> Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 2021 2:52 PM
>> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
>> Subject: Re: [nvda] Updated Firefox to version 89, can no longer use
>> w/NVDA
>>
>> The setting is part of the general section, so it should be reachable
>> without any extra steps.
>>
>> I agree that these changes sometimes seem unnecessarily, but to be fair:
>> Firefox has now been like this for quite a long time, at least since the
>> advent of Quantum, and it reflects the way a lot of things look on mobile
>> devices – and as everything is going multiplatform, this is just what we
>> are
>> seeing across the board nowadays. Once you get the hang of it, it’s not
>> too
>> inconvenient. The sections of various headings you see are controlled by
>> a
>> list box, and you just pick the category in the list box you want, and
>> the
>> headings with options will appear.
>>
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>> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
>> Sent: June 2, 2021 03:48 PM
>> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
>> Subject: Re: [nvda] Updated Firefox to version 89, can no longer use
>> w/NVDA
>>
>>
>>
>> You can control updates.  You may have to turn browse mode off to see the
>> part of the options or settings dialog where you select the category you
>> will work with.
>>
>>
>>
>> Previously, the update selection was found in options.  In a change in
>> the
>> current version, there is no more options.  Now, its settings.  Its in
>> the
>> tools folder still but the name was changed.  Just one more unnecessary
>> change to momentarily confuse people and require that all support
>> documentation that mentioned options be rewritten.  Do program developers
>> ever consider what amount of useless and needless work some of their
>> completely unnecessary changes impose on people?
>>
>>
>>
>> I’m not singling out Firefox developers but this is an example of how a
>> change in one word can cause a great deal of work.
>>
>>
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>> There is no more updates section as a separate section in settings.  it
>> is
>> now in the general settings, which is the one you work with by default
>> when
>> you open settings.  Tab and tab and tab and you will eventually get to a
>> series of radio buttons for determining update behavior.
>>
>>
>>
>> Gene
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>>
>> From: Chris via groups.io
>>
>> Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 2021 2:20 PM
>>
>> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
>>
>> Subject: Re: [nvda] Updated Firefox to version 89, can no longer use
>> w/NVDA
>>
>>
>>
>> Firefox automatically updates itself, Theres no way to stop it from doing
>> so
>> anymore
>>
>>
>>
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>>
>> From: JM Casey
>> Sent: 02 June 2021 19:27
>> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
>> Subject: Re: [nvda] Updated Firefox to version 89, can no longer use
>> w/NVDA
>>
>>
>>
>> So, how long before we all get v.89 unless we take steps not to update.
>> Don't want to be caught unawares before this happens.
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>>
>> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Jackie
>>
>> Sent: June 2, 2021 02:18 PM
>>
>> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
>>
>> Subject: Re: [nvda] Updated Firefox to version 89, can no longer use
>> w/NVDA
>>
>>
>>
>> I've tried both w/the NVDA beta as well as the stable version, folks.
>>
>> It's broken on my system, & that includes w/Narrator & Jaws also.
>>
>>
>>
>> On 6/2/21, Jackie McBride <abletec@...> wrote:
>>
>>> Obviously not, since I'm the 1 who actually started this thread. Given
>>
>>> that at least 1 other individual is experiencing this, & given that
>>
>>> Mozilla has made significant underlying changes to its interface, I'd
>>
>>> seriously suggest updating w/caution. I guess I'll not comment any
>>
>>> more though, because Narrator & Jaws don't work w/it either, so I
>>
>>> think this is not an issue w/NVDA, & I apologize for posting regarding
>>
>>> it.
>>
>>>
>>
>>> Interestingly, if I start firefox when choosing a profile every time,
>>
>>> it works. If I select any profile & start it up w/o asking, it blows
>>
>>> up. In other words, even if I choose a profile from the profile list
>>
>>> and start it, everything's fine. If I load the same profile
>>
>>> automatically, stuff craters. Go figure! How the firetruck does one
>>
>>> report that & be believable?
>>
>>>
>>
>>> On 6/2/21, brice Mijares <bmijares33@...> wrote:
>>
>>>> Are you the only one having this problem? I'd like to know, that a
>>
>>>> way I can say no to the update. thanks.
>>
>>>>
>>
>>>> On 6/2/2021 9:49 AM, Sue J. Ward wrote:
>>
>>>>>  Hello. I am experiencing the same thing with NVDA, I uninstalled
>>
>>>>> and reinstalled firefox, ran the calm registration tool, created a
>>
>>>>> new profile, still nothing and did a system file check, did not find
>>
>>>>> anything. According to the scan everything was fixed on my windows10
>>
>>>>> home machine. That is the one I am on right now writing out the email.
>>
>>>>> Whenever I go to the website just to give you an example
>>
>>>>> cbsnews.com, I load it on to firefox and getting unknown message
>>
>>>>> whenever I tab around the page think it loads, whenever I press the
>>
>>>>> arrow keys it says unknown, am tabbing around again it comes up with
>>
>>>>> unknown but am not sure what is going on, but when I am going in to
>>
>>>>> the help section, I have to run the trouble shoot mode, it restarts
>>
>>>>> in trouble shoot mode everything is fine when am on a website so what
>>>>> is
>>>>> going on here?
>>
>>>>> I am not on a network of any kind just your typical modem from
>>
>>>>> Cox.com using a wired connection. However I do have a second machine
>>
>>>>> windows10 pro 64 bit and both the home machine and the pro machine
>>
>>>>> have everything up to date and are running 64 bit, it is weird on
>>
>>>>> the
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>>>>> windows10 pro I did not have to do anything firefox works great on
>>
>>>>> that one verses the home machine. I can not figure out why I have to
>>
>>>>> restart firefox in trouble shoot mode on the windows home machine. I
>>
>>>>> even did a reset think that would help, no such luck there. In fact
>>
>>>>> I did load jaws, nothing there. Could someone tell us what is going
>>
>>>>> on here? Thank you.
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