On Jun 19, 2021, at 2:29 PM, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:



I wrote what I did because I didn’t know there was a way to enable rapping and I wanted to encourage getting used to the other way.  I also wrote it to express my opinion about what may be disadvantages in too much automation.  Others may disagree and I’m not telling other people how to do things.  but I’m expressing my opinion so others can consider it and whether they might wat to try not having rap if they use it. 

 

Also, I raised a question about rapping, given the rather new way of having pages change with use, which wasn’t a feature of web pages when rapping was introduced.

 

Gene

-----Original Message-----

From: David Goldfield

Sent: Saturday, June 19, 2021 12:31 PM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Subject: Re: [nvda] Wrapping Around Web Pages When Using Quick Nav Keys

 

> It would be much more convenient to go to the last item I’m looking for and receive a no more buttons or headings, etc.

 

I respect that and this may be your preference. However, having a toggle would allow you to continue to enjoy doing things the way you like doing them and would also give others the freedom to navigate with the wrap feature enabled. JAWS enables this by default but contains a toggle for users who don’t like it. I was unaware that third-party addons existed to facilitate this. I will investigate them and will also encourage the developers of these addons to consider having them approved by the addons community which will make them easier to locate. I personally prefer to download NVDA addons from the official repository.

 

 

 

David Goldfield,

Blindness Assistive Technology Specialist

JAWS Certified, 2019

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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Saturday, June 19, 2021 10:08 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Wrapping Around Web Pages When Using Quick Nav Keys

 

NVDA has no such setting.  I think that, after a short time, you may get used to this not occurring and it will fade away to a minor annoyance or perhaps none. 

 

And at times, I consider it an advantage not to have rap.  Let’s say I am going downa page looking for something.  I want to see if I’ve found all the relevant headings or buttons or whatever I’m looking for because I’m not sure which one I want to use.  If I find what I want near the bottom of the page, then have a rap occur, I am once again at the top of the page.  It would be much more convenient to go to the last item I’m looking for and receive a no more buttons or headings, etc.  Then I can work with the last item if it’s the one I want or I can move backwards to the one I want which may be far closer to the bottom of the page than the top. 

 

While I don’t have a strong feeling about this, I think page rap is an example of too much automation which creates as much or more inconvenience than it tries to eliminate. 

 

And another question occurred to me just now.  Does rap cause improper jumping back to the tops of pages in today’s environment?  Many pages change these days as you move through them.  they display more of the page as you move down.  This is to accommodate portable devices.

 

My question is, say you are moving down a page by heading or by a control such as by button.  Does rap cause the screen-reader to rap to the top before the page changes and appear to show that you reached the end of the page when you actually didn’t?

 

Gene

-----Original Message-----

From: David Kingsbury

Sent: Saturday, June 19, 2021 8:46 AM

To: nvda@groups.io

Subject: [nvda] Wrapping Around Web Pages When Using Quick Nav Keys

 

Hi all,

When I am navigating a web page with quick navigation keys (H for headings, E for edit fields, etc.), when I get past the last of these on a page, it does not wrap back to the top of the page. With JAWS, it wraps around and I find this useful. Is there some setting I can change to make it wrap around?

Thanks,

David