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I am what? And what is my usual answer for anything web based?
and if whatever you say I am saying is wrong, why is it wrong?
I can’t discuss something where nothing is defined or explained.
While I don’t want to get into a lengthy debate, I’ll present, explain and
defend my position once you explain what you object to and why.
At this point, though I think I know what you are objecting to, I don’t
want to comment on my guess about what you are objecting to, nor have you
I think I can explain my position in a message that isn’t too long and if
the message is long, I’ll indeicate that at the beginning so people may skip it
if they want.
Sent: Tuesday, June 29, 2021 2:29 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Question about using the elements list on a page
with a large quantity of information
Actually, yes you are, that seems to be your normal answer
for everything web based, and we’re hear to tell you that this is not the
case 99 percent of the time.
From: firstname.lastname@example.org <email@example.com>
On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Monday, June 21, 2021 8:41
Subject: Re: [nvda] Question
about using the elements list on a page with a large quantity of
I am not writing to get into a debate with you about this but I will say, in
order that what I'm saying be accurately understood that I did not limit myself
to discussing the find command. In my first message, I specifically
discussed moving in other ways such as move by heading or by heading
level. I am not obsessed with the find command.
On 6/21/2021 10:31 AM, Rosemarie Chavarria
I'm in total agreement with you here. What if a person is on an unfamiliar
page and he or she doesn't know what to look for? If I know what I'm looking
for, then I'll use the find command but that doesn't always work. For
instance, when I go to the Heart of the Nation site to hear the Catholic Mass
online, I use the elements list with insert f-7 and hit S to find Sunday Mass.
I don't know why this person is so obsessed with the find command. Like the
old saying goes, there's more than one way to skin a cat. I won't say anything
On 6/21/2021 8:15 AM, Brian Vogel
On Mon, Jun 21, 2021 at 10:58 AM, Gene
which adds support to my opinion that it is at times,
perhaps more than realized, better to use find or to move by heading or
other ways directly on the web page.
Gene, I really have no idea why it obsesses you so
how any given individual user attempts to navigate a page.
people, and many of whom are likely to have been JAWS users, simply like the
elements dialog which is as close as you get to the links dialog under
Any page that has 4400-plus links is not going to be easily
navigated, period. Most web designers would never even begin to think
of putting that many links on a single page. This particular page was
not designed either for beauty or efficiency, but is just a massive list of
links arranged in very large chunks, alphabetically, depending on what the
title of the movie happens to be.
You know how much I happen to like
screen reader find and the use of the various quick navigation options, but
others simply don't. There is no right or wrong way here, simply the
one that one prefers. And if you're aware that you're going to have to
wait for some seconds on pages with way, way, way more links than is typical
for NVDA to build the elements list, and make that choice, there's nothing
wrong with that choice.
Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H1, Build
I do not understand why some seek
to separate a person from their actions. The self is composed of an
individual’s thoughts, actions, and expression, which are contained in and
actuated by the body. What you do and say is the clearest indicator of
who you are.