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I think people are too casual about disabling security utilities if they
cause a small amount of inconvenience. The whole point of UAC is that it
makes it less likely that software will be installed on your machine even if you
are careful. You don’t necessarily have the ability to refuse unwanted
software, such as malware. Sites may have hacked third party advertising
which may try to install it without user notice or intervention. Is
avoiding the slight inconvenience of having to use alt y when UAC comes up worth
the much worse problems malware can cause? Even if you have to alt tab to
the window first, is avoiding that annoyance worth dealing with malware on your
I’ve seen it claimed that UAC is easily evaded by malware designers.
That may be. I’ve seen little discussion of that. But even if it
only prevents thirty or forty percent of installations, I’d gladdly have the
small inconveniences it causes.
Sent: Tuesday, July 13, 2021 11:21 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] A suggestion about the NVDA update
Oh, here's a trick that will make life easier for everyone. Disable UAC.
Obviously you have to be careful about installing random stuff, but you should
do that anyway.
On 7/13/2021 8:00 PM, Quentin Christensen
AFAIK, at least based on my experience - nothing has changed,
it's just that sometimes (maybe based on running programs? or whether Mercury
is retrograde?) - sometimes that user account control dialog that you need to
acknowledge when installing or updating software, appears behind every other
window and doesn't get focus. More often than not it works fine for me
and grabs focus when it appears though.
Actually I was surprised by the three hour wait - I thought that dialog
timed out after about 20 seconds and automatically failed if you didn't
On Wed, Jul 14, 2021 at 5:03 AM Ron Canazzi
I can't remember when this started, but sometime in
the past few years, i have been experiencing the same thing. It seems that
for some reason, the (I guess it is called) runtime version of NVDA
installer or whatever it's called, does not shift focus immediately to the
Windows UAC console when you try installing a program that Windows is not
On 7/13/2021 1:37 PM, Giles Turnbull wrote:
This is a suggestion relating to the NVDA updater,
rather than NVDA itself, and it's a question really for the programmers
behind that installer.
I started updating to NVDA 2021.1 on my
Microsoft Surface Pro 4 tablet at about 1pm. At 3pm the progress beeps
were still beeping and, assuming the update had hit a problem, I tried to
abort the update but discovered there was no way to cancel the
Curious whether the update process would hang on my Dell
laptop, I turned that on and was prompted that a new version of NVDA was
available. I launched it and, immediately after the download had finished
and I'd activated the Install button, I was taken to the Windows
permissions prompt. And that is when I twigged that I'd not been taken to
that on my tablet. When I returned to my tablet and Alt+Tabbed around the
running programs , indeed the permissions promt was open, but I hadn't
been taken to it, nor had I been notified it had opened and was expecting
So my suggestion / question is whether there is any way
that the progress beeps can be started only after the security button has
been confirmed, rather than as soon as the Update button has been pressed.
If the updater hadn't spent 2 hours beeping, then I wouldn't have thought
it was doing something (or attempting to do something) as part of the
The moment I found the security prompt and
confirmed I wanted to go ahead with the installation, it completed within
30 seconds, as it usually does!
Just a thought :)
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