Re: what next

dennis huckle <denniswhuckle@...>

What a wonderful device it was.
Gave me pins and needles in my right index finger and buzzed like an angry wasp but brilliant device.
Kind regards,
Dennis huckle.

-----Original Message-----
From: <> On Behalf Of Jackie
Sent: 21 October 2021 01:05
Subject: Re: [nvda] what next

The optacon is dead. Long live the Optacon.

Back in the day there was a way to route some bioses of some boxes over a serial port--I believe the name of the product was Weasel or similar--but there is no device I know of that works better for this than an Optacon in the hands of a proficient user. Unfortunately, the first sentence of this message is sadly applicable.

On 10/20/21, Brian Vogel <> wrote:
On Wed, Oct 20, 2021 at 07:32 PM, Arlene wrote:

I hope in the future blind users can go in there with Nairator.
Not likely.

What folks who use screen readers, as they currently exist, need to
understand is that they are application software.  Mind you, a very
specialized application, but still an application.  The operating
system (whether Windows or any other one) must be up and running at
least to a certain point before any screen reader can come online.

UEFI/BIOS occur in the boot sequence well prior to Windows (or other
OSes such as Linux) ever being kicked off for loading.  While it would
be conceivably possible to have a dedicated screen reader for that
environment, and if memory serves a prototype was once made, long ago,
it certainly would not be Narrator, NVDA, JAWS or any other screen
reader as end users know them.  And it would also very likely have
commands strictly limited to the environment at hand, which means it
would be very different in that way, too.

And, as you mention, even if you were to have a screen reader of some
sort available to navigate UEFI/BIOS, you still have to be very, very
certain that what you're doing is precisely what you intend to do and
that what you intend is actually what needs to be done to achieve the result hoped for.
 If you can have this certainty, then go for it, otherwise, get assistance.
And this is completely separate from your visual status.  Most of my
sighted clients have no idea that UEFI/BIOS even exists nor how to
interact with it.  It's just not something most end users ever need to touch.

As far as turning off "media keys" or whatever a maker might call the
actions associated with the function keys, lobbying them to create
utilities such as the one Lenovo already has that allow these to be
turned on or off from within Windows, or asking for some keyboard
shortcut, likely a 4-key press to avoid accidents, to do this are both
better ideas than a screen reader for UEFI/BIOS likely would be.  They're safer, too.


Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H1, Build 19043

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