Walmir Schultz <wsautodidata@...>
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Really, edit fields normally have a description that NVDA
But, here in Brazil we have many sites that don't do this job.
What we have to do, as you said, is to use NVDA+SPACE to change
for the browse mode and use arrows keys to investigate what
information is being asked for.
This is not a problem when the user knows how to use the screen
reader efficiently, but is annoying.
That shows us how far we are of a really accessible web design.
Yahoo Mail is especially difficult to use. They say that they are
using widgets instead of tags, but that is a fallacy, because
buttons, check boxes, links are all there and the use of the page
with a screen reader becomes stressing, to say the least.
Em 26/09/2016 20:10, Gene escreveu:
Fields are usually announced and
there may be a description that is read either when you get to
the edit field or immediately above it or other fields as
well. If a field or the text immediately above it says login
user name or e-mail address or something similar, unless you
think you are on the wrong page or that there may be more than
one place to log in to different parts of the site or
different pages for logging into different parts of the site,
not using efficient navigation does nothing but waste time.
If you move to a field and want more information, up and/or
down arrowing around the field will often satisfy the user
whether the proper field is being worked with.
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, September 26, 2016 5:58 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Yahoo password
I know the one letter navigation keys, but I didn't think to put
in the list of what I did to change my password. I don't fully
sites I'm not all that aquainted with so when I'm investigating I
first go down line by line with the arrow keys. Yes, that is
time-consuming, but I feel comfortable doing things that way until
learn the site better.
Plus, there are a lot of "clickable" tags so I felt it safer to
arrow down incase I missed something. I found what I needed right
so I admit to not looking around and experimenting more. I also
know this person very well so I don't know their level of
understanding for commands and thought just a straight listing of
I did, minus keystrokes, was okay.
I thought it was helping and I wasn't expecting a lecture about my
methods to quickly get something done on a website I'm not
with and just stating exactly what I did. If you don't know what
search for, some sites use login, sign in, log off or sign out,
the time spent typing in possibilities to search for arrowing
could've gotten to the same place. Normally login options for
are near the top so I didn't feel I needed to try and skip around
one letter navigation.
Sorry if I sound defensive about this. I normally use many of the
keystrokes for one letter navigation in webpages and just on my
computer itself and your response just rubbed me the wrong way.
On 9/26/16, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:
> Why can't you simply issue the command f when at the top of
the home page to
> move to the first form field and repeat the search until you
get to the
> right one? or if you know the field you are looking for is
an edit field,
> your screen-reader may have a command such as the letter e to
move you to
> the first edit field from the top of the page. If it isn't
the right one,
> you can repeat the command until you get there just as you
can with the
> letter f.
> If you are looking for a link you have to follow that might
sign in, you can
> use the search command from the top of the page and search
for what you
> think might be correct. If you are talking about moving to
> is almost at the rtop of the page, these methods may not
matter but my7
> point is that a lot of blind Internet users waste an enormous
amount of time
> because they don't know or use these methods. I am not
> suggestions are the best for what we are discussing on this
> But they will save people a lot of time if generally
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Melissa
> Sent: Monday, September 26, 2016 4:22 PM
> To: firstname.lastname@example.org
> Subject: Re: [nvda] Yahoo password
> What you need to do is go near the top of the home page of
> and then work your way down the mass of links/options until
you get to
> where it asks you to sign in.
> It will first ask for your username, you@...,
then hit next and
> enter in your password.
> Once you login, and start at the beginning of the page, you
can hit H
> for headings to get to the list of options you can edit, like
> mail, and stuff like that. I only messed around enough to
> password and I did that a while ago so I can't really offer a
> step guide on how to change your password. I don't use yahoo
> only have the account to use yahoo groups.
> On 9/26/16, Walmir Schultz via Groups.io
>> I use Thunderbird to read my e-mail.
>> Now Yahoo is warning about the need to change passwords.
>> How can I do it in the web site?
>> I navigated on the page for hours and did not find where
to do it. The
>> Yahoo accessibility help is useless....