Re: NVDA's handling of checkboxes especially in Google Chrome
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Gene
I am increasingly finding cases where Firefox either sees things or does
things that Chrome doesn’t when used with NVDA. I don’t use JAWS and my
demo is far too old to evaluate whether the same things occur. But I think
the question of whether Chrome-based browsers are working properly with sites in
terms of accessibility should be systematically addressed.
Here are two examples:
First is this article from The New York Times;.
If you are at the top of the page and press s to move by
separator, you will immediately move to cards giving background information on
the story.
In Firefox, you see, at the end of the card, a button for
previous card, unavailable since you are on the first card, and a button for
next card.
Activating this button works. It moves you to the
next card.
To easily get to this card in a proper position to read
it, press page up, then s for separator.
The previous and next card buttons both work correctly for
this card and, I assume, for all other cards.
I tested with Chrome and Brave and neither of these
Chrome-based browsers saw either button. I could read the first card below the
separator but no buttons are displayed.
I’ve recently been looking up material on occasion using the Encyclopedia Britannica online. When reading with Firefox, the page being read automatically shows new material as you move down it. Firefox shows this new material when it appears. Chrome-based browsers don’t. This article is an example:
Search from the top of the page for the word nervous. If you down
arrow in Firefox, the text continues after some items, perhaps three or
four. Chrome-based browsers don’t load new material at least not
accessibly to screen-readers.
Chrome-based browsers don’t see comments on Youtube pages where videos are
streamed. Firefox does. Because the page changes as you move down
it, you have to move down the page to see the comments. You can’t just
search for the word comment to get to the section.
I’ll add that all these comments are for my specific machine but I expect
they will be generally experienced. Verification, however, is
necessary.
Are these problems with Chrome, with NVDA, or both? I suspect that
these problems are not improper implementation of accessibility. Those
questions, however, would require technically knowledgeable investigation to be
resolved.
Gene -----Original Message-----
From: Gene
Sent: Monday, November 15, 2021 11:00 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA's handling of checkboxes especially in
Google Chrome Since Firefox sees the checkboxes, I don’t know that its valid to assume
what the problem is and that it is improper design. Also, there may be
cases where you will hear explanatory text that accompanies a structure read if
you tab into the structure rather than move to it in some other way. I
haven’t compared Chrome-based and not Chrome-based browsers in these cases but
again, is this improper design or just the complexity of design?
Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: Jackie
Sent: Monday, November 15, 2021 10:55 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA's handling of checkboxes especially in
Google Chrome Yeah
well, I'm not trying to be obscene here, but it's because the web designers didn't use checkboxes that expose themselves, or, perhaps to put it just a bit more succinctly, expose their state. & it is a royal pita, & it's not unique to NVDA, though having said thus, sometimes Jaws actually allows labeling of these graphics, whereas NVDA doesn't. & it's not an issue specific to Chrome, either. It's actually called a "clickable element" as opposed to a checkbox. Sighted folks generally cant distinguish these from standard checkboxes, but they sure create problems for us. On 11/15/21, Tyler Zahnke <programmer651@...> wrote: > Hello NVDA community! Why does NVDA not read some checkboxes in Google > Chrome? NVDA reads a lot of them, but some sites have a "remember me" > checkbox on their login screen that just says "clickable"; when you > press Enter where it says clickable, the box checks, but NVDA doesn't > tell you this. I have seen websites that contain both accessible and > inaccessible checkboxes, why is this? And several times (I have a > memory of seeing this on the login screen of Palai), it doesn't read > some of the checkboxes, such as "remember me", at all. It actually got > to the point where I thought they had removed the checkbox from their > site because it completely didn't read it, but users of other devices > claimed they still saw the checkbox, but several of us Chrome and NVDA > users noticed the missing checkbox. And as soon as I tried the same > site with Firefox and NVDA, I saw the checkbox, but it said "remember > me clickable" and therefore, though you could check and uncheck it, > NVDA wouldn't tell you, while on Chrome, NVDA skips over the box. This > was a problem with a website that I actually had to help out as far as > accessibility; their site had some regular checkboxes on the form and > screen readers could read it just fine, but then some checkboxes said > "clickable" or didn't say anything at all, yet the Enter key worked on > them but the screen reader didn't say. I've probably seen variations > on this issue for a few years, some checkbox not displaying in Chrome. > Often I would try it again with Firefox, and at least in the > checkbox-related cases, it usually worked. And in the case of the > website I helped make accessible, I even looked at the HTML for the > checkboxes, and even the inaccessible checkboxes were still coded like > checkboxes though they may have had some extra styling on them. So > what's the deal with checkboxes? > > > > > > -- Subscribe to a WordPress for Newbies Mailing List by sending a message to: wp4newbs-request@... with 'subscribe' in the Subject field OR by visiting the list page at http://www.freelists.org/list/wp4newbs & check out my sites at www.brightstarsweb.com & www.mysitesbeenhacked.com |
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