Re: NVDA's handling of checkboxes especially in Google Chrome

Nimer Jaber


NVDA has options for recreating semi-auto or auto mode as well.

On Wed, Nov 17, 2021 at 12:55 AM Steve Nutt <steve@...> wrote:

This is where JAWS has the edge.  It has semi auto mode, which means it will behave like NVDA does now, or auto mode, which means that a press of the down arrow from an edit box will switch back on browse mode.


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From: <> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: 16 November 2021 17:24
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA's handling of checkboxes especially in Google Chrome


This discussion illustrates the major flaw in the way automatic switching of modes is implemented.  Modes aren’t automatically switched when you down arrow from forms mode to browse mode.  If you are in forms mode and you up or down arrow, you will remain in forms mode.  Thus, you will not move from where you are.  If you tab you will move and the mode will automatically switch.  This is a built-in bias that encourages tabbing through forms, which is often the behavior you miss content by doing.  I’m not saying that is the intent of the design, but that is an important effect. 


To be consistent and not encourage tabbing over arrowing, automatic switching should occur when you up and down arrow as well as when you tab.  Making this change would eliminate my major objection to automatic switching.



-----Original Message-----

Sent: Tuesday, November 16, 2021 11:06 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA's handling of checkboxes especially in Google Chrome


Let's see.
I'm in Firefox with NVDA, I just checked my window and it is maximized
(I went into the system menu and maximize is unavailable so that must
mean the window is already maximized). So I scroll down the page.
There's the email address box. Sometimes, when I try to arrow down
past the email address box, it tries to autofill it. So perhaps it's
trying to autofill your password box (it doesn't do this for me). So
maybe your step would be more like this; maybe get out of the password
box input mode, whether NVDA+Space or pressing Escape, either one, so
now you're on the password box without being in it, and then arrow
down, and it reads the word "remember me". Or, if it's easier, arrow
up from the "log in" button.

On 11/16/21, Brian Vogel <britechguy@...> wrote:
> On Tue, Nov 16, 2021 at 11:53 AM, Tyler Zahnke wrote:
>> Firefox does not read whether the checkbox is checked or not, it's
>> just the words "remember me" are being read if I arrow down from the
>> password box,
> -
> Truly, I am not trying to be difficult, but I do not understand exactly what
> you mean or are doing.  If I'm sitting in the password box, in Firefox,
> using down arrow does not get me out of that box.
> There is something specific about the exact sequence of steps you are using
> that I am not hitting upon in my experimentation.  I can't replicate the
> success you've had even with just the announcement of "Remember Me" unless I
> use "the sighted way" with the mouse.  I'd like to be able to replicate your
> experience for my own education, and how you do this may be relevant to
> other situations.
> --
> Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H1, Build 19043
> *The ignorance of one voter in a democracy impairs the security of all.*
> ~ John F. Kennedy


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