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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Tuesday, January 25, 2022 6:36 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA announcing Capital letters

I'm not sure if what I was saying was clear. I'm not saying you are wrong that the synthesizer is saying capital when it sees a capital letter. I'm saying that it is implausible that that is its normal behavior because I would think that would be a serious bug and we would have heard about it a long time ago. So what is going on with the add-on that is causing this behavior? It may be some sort of combination of the synthesizer and the add-on.


And I note with interest that in the message from Don, having NVDA set to say cap says cap instead of capital. Why doesn't the synthesizer say cap capital since NVDA is sending the word cap to the synthesizer and the synthesizer is seeing a capital letter. I see no justification for NVDA to change what it is doing for a problem with one add-on and one synthesizer. Also, are their implications to the change we don't know?


Gene

On 1/25/2022 8:27 AM, Gene wrote:

But this is a problem with one add-on. I'm not saying it isn't
sending capital letters and I wasn't questioning that. I was saying
that we don't know why this problem is occurring since we don't know
of any other cases where it is. I am also saying that I very much
doubt that the synthesizer itself generally announces cap because if
it did, this would be such a serious bug that no one would buy it and
we would have heard about this a long time ago. And only two reports
doesn't tell us if this is a general problem or not.


Gene

On 1/25/2022 4:00 AM, Steve Nutt wrote:

Hi Gene,

We do know, because if we look at speech viewer, we can see that NVDA
is still sending upper case letters, even when caps is off. The
solution for all synths would be, in my view, to send all single
letters as lower case, when this option is turned off.

All the best

Steve

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-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: 21 January 2022 17:46
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA announcing Capital letters

I don't think we know enough about the problem to do more than
speculate. I doubt this behavior occurs when Vocalizer is used not
with the add-on. So what is it about the combination of Vocalizer
and the add-on that causes this problem? Also, since we've seen only
something like two reports of the problem, we don't know if it is a
general one.


And since a lot of people use a synthesizer like Vocalizer for
reading and a synthesizer like Eloquence for work, we don't know how
many people are affected by the problem. Is the problem only
reported by two people because a lot of people don't use Vocalizer in
ways where the problem would show up or is it not a problem for most
users?


Gene

On 1/21/2022 10:55 AM, Steve Nutt wrote:

It is part and part.

When the synth sees an upper case letter, it says the word capital,
which is correct of course.

Even if you turn off capitals in NVDA, it still throws upper case
letters.

So the fix in NVDA would be that NVDA should send all letters
entered via the keyboard as lower case irrespective of their case,
if that setting is switched off.

In this case, I think the synth is right, and NVDA is wrong, but
what do I know.

All the best

Steve

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-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Don H
Sent: 20 January 2022 14:05
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA announcing Capital letters

I contacted Code Factory and they said it was a NVDA issue. So I
don't think anything will be done anytime soon to fix the problem.

On 1/20/2022 12:17 AM, Marilyn and Don Bilderback wrote:

Hello,

I have the beep option checked but I get no sound when I type.

I try to use the tone option, but can’t seem to choose the
right numbers so I can use that method. I don’t hear any change
in tone when caps are typed.

I do not like the word caps spoken as I can’t hear what I am typing.
What am I missing?

Marilynn

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