Re: NVDA announcing Capital letters


Sarah k Alawami
 

However the code factory guys are blaming nvda, so who is at fault here, I can’t test as I have the nvda/sapi combo I got for $50 last year, not the sapi addon only. Actually, can I test this using the nvda only addon?

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Chris Mullins
Sent: Wednesday, January 26, 2022 9:00 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA announcing Capital letters

 

Hi

From the input so far on this issue, it sounds like the addon may interrogate the NVDA Voice property for “Say cap” and if it is not checked, it defaults to inserting the word “Capital” before processing an individual capital letter, otherwise NVDA takes responsib ility for indicating the capital letter.  This may also apply to Pitch Change and Bleep  as well but I have not seen any evidence that this is the case.

 

Cheers

                Chris

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From: Steve Nutt
Sent: 26 January 2022 14:17
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA announcing Capital letters

 

Hi,

 

It happens equally on the SAPI version of Vocalizer, I can tell you that.

 

And it is not, as Brian suggests, an isolated problem, it is easy to reproduce.

 

All the best

 

Steve

 

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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene

Sent: 25 January 2022 22:00

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA announcing Capital letters

 

I don't know how much you might want to do to pursue the problem further.  One option, which will cost money, is to get the SAPI Vocalizer voices,  You may want to try the program to see if you have the same problem.

 

You can find it on this page:

 

https://www.atguys.com/store/index.php?main_page=index&cPath=60_20

 

There are the methods to try to correct the problem Brian discussed and then there is this possible solution that will cost you money.  But I'm making you aware of the option, if you aren't.  And you may want to test for the problem using the SAPI demo.

 

 

Gene

 

On 1/25/2022 3:49 PM, Don H wrote:

> Yes there are setting under the code factory entery under settings.

> Same screen where you download more voices.  Nothing in the settings

> here fixes the issue of saying capital.

> On 1/25/2022 3:44 PM, Gene wrote:

>> There is a way to open settings for the add-on itself but I don't

>> know how you do it.  I have a guess which I will present.  To explain

>> why this is my guess would require explanation which isn't relevant

>> to the discussion.  It has to do with what the expired demo does when

>> you try to run it.  When you are using a vocalizer voice, try opening

>> the synthesizer dialog, control NVDA s, moving to the Vocalizer

>> choice, and pressing enter.  Does the settings dialog open?

>> 

>> 

>> I have an expired demo.  The only setting I can see that might

>> possibly apply is one for raising the pitch for capital.  As I

>> recall, it is a check box.  There is no say cap or say capital

>> setting.  Maybe if you turn on the raise pitch option, capital won't be spoken.

>> 

>> 

>> Gene

>> 

>> On 1/25/2022 3:05 PM, Chris Mullins wrote:

>> 

>>> Hi Don

>>> 

>>> If  in the Voice Settings dialog (NVDA+Ctrl+v),you set Uppercase

>>> pitch change to 0, Say Cap unchecked and Beep before Capitals

>>> unchecked you say NVDA says "Capital" before capital letters but if

>>> you check the "say Cap" checkbox, it only says "Cap", is that correct?

>>> 

>>> Does the Code Factory addon have any adjustable properties available

>>> via the Preferences sub-menu (NVDA+n p) or in the catagories list of

>>> the Settings dialog (NVDA+n p s)?  I'm asking these questions

>>> because I think it's the Code Factory addon that is responsible for

>>> it saying "Capital" and I wondered if there were any adjustable

>>> properties governing this behaviour.

>>> 

>>> Cheers

>>> 

>>>                 Chris

>>> 

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>>> 

>>> *From: *Don H <mailto:lmddh50@...>

>>> *Sent: *25 January 2022 14:21

>>> *To: *nvda@nvda.groups.io

>>> *Subject: *Re: [nvda] NVDA announcing Capital letters

>>> 

>>> I think I started this thread and here is what I have figured out.

>>> When

>>> 

>>> using the code Factory vocalizer addon for NVDA if you have the

>>> voice

>>> 

>>> settings to not say cap and also have the beep for caps off on my

>>> system

>>> 

>>> NVDA says the word capital before each uppercase letter.  To make

>>> this

>>> 

>>> better in my opinion I now have my voice settings set with a pitch

>>> 

>>> change on caps on zero and I have say cap on capitaleters turned on. 

>>> So

>>> 

>>> now on capital letters NVDA says cap before each uppercase letter

>>> and I

>>> 

>>> hear no pitch change on capitals.  This makes the verbage on capital

>>> 

>>> letters a little better.

>>> 

>>> I did also make it stop saying capital by adding each uppercase

>>> letter

>>> 

>>> to the default dictionary replacing each with a lowercase letter and

>>> 

>>> this resulted in only hearing a pitch change on uppercase letters

>>> but

>>> 

>>> for some reason this pitch only for uppercase letters was

>>> inconsistent

>>> 

>>> with some uppercase letters being typed not having a raised pitch. 

>>> I

>>> 

>>> removed all the enteries I made to the default dictionary.

>>> 

>>> On 1/25/2022 3:59 AM, Steve Nutt wrote:

>>> 

>>> > Interesting, I’ll test it again, but when I’ve tried it before, I

>>> didn’t

>>> 

>>> > get beeps when I set capitals to beep.

>>> 

>>> >

>>> 

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>>> > *Sent:* 21 January 2022 17:08

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>>> > *To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io

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>>> > *Subject:* Re: [nvda] NVDA announcing Capital letters

>>> 

>>> >

>>> 

>>> > I just tested this.  It comes through the sound card.

>>> 

>>> >

>>> 

>>> > Gene

>>> 

>>> >

>>> 

>>> > On 1/21/2022 10:53 AM, Steve Nutt wrote:

>>> 

>>> >

>>> 

>>> >     I think this is because the beep option unhelpfully comes

>>> >through

>>> 

>>> >     the PC speaker, instead of your soundcard.

>>> 

>>> >

>>> 

>>> >     Some PCs don’t have a PC speaker any more, so the beep sound

>>> won’t

>>> 

>>> >     work for them.

>>> 

>>> >

>>> 

>>> >     I think this should be changed in NVDA.

>>> 

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>>> > <nvda@nvda.groups.io> <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io> *On Behalf Of

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>>> >     *Marilyn and Don Bilderback

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>>> >     *Sent:* 20 January 2022 06:18

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>>> >     *To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>

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>>> >     *Subject:* [nvda] NVDA announcing Capital letters

>>> 

>>> >

>>> 

>>> >     Hello,

>>> 

>>> >

>>> 

>>> >     I have the beep option checked but I get no sound when I type.

>>> 

>>> >

>>> 

>>> >       I try to use the tone option, but   can’t seem to choose the

>>> 

>>> >        right numbers so I can use that method. I don’t hear   any

>>> change

>>> 

>>> >     in tone when caps are typed.

>>> 

>>> >

>>> 

>>> >     I do not like the word caps spoken as I can’t hear what I am

>>> 

>>> >     typing.    What am I missing?

>>> 

>>> >

>>> 

>>> >     Marilynn

>>> 

>>> >

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>>> 

>> 

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