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Sorry I thought my mind was stuck yesterday. Please ignore all the
Let me restate my concern.
First of all, lets type a few lines into something like notepad
Hello, this is the new worl.
Hi, this is the second line.
While I am typing those lines, I mistakenly typed some spaces into
the third line, which nvda says blank.
Now, I move my edit cursor up two line to do proof reading by
pressing up arrows.
Oh I found that the word 'worl' is missing a 'd' so I move the
cursor to the end, before the dot, add a 'd.'
Then I keep proof reading and find that the second line is
Then I press down arrow to move to the third line.
As nvda default to not reading indentations, I assume that the
line is a blank line, because I heard nvda says blank.
Then I keep typing the third line.
Hello, this is the new world.
Hi, this is the second line.
Oh this is the third line.
So the problem comes, I have typed those words after those
mistakenly typed spaces.
I know that for blind people who use braille display will
immediately pick up those spaces because they are not relying
mainly on speech of nvda. Even though nvda says the line is blank,
they can still determine that the line is a line containing spaces
by touching braille display.
But for people like me, who do not use braille display, I am
mainly relying on the audio information provided by nvda. So if I
hear blank, I assumed that it is really blank and has nothing, not
But refer to the above situation, I assumed that it is a blank
line without anything, and start typing on the third line.
But in fact, it is not really a blank line, so what I have typed
is after those spaces.
This is the problem that I have came across.
Gene 於 27/5/2022 19:53 寫道:
good you found out.
On 5/27/2022 6:22 AM, William wrote:
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Sorry, I found out the reason.
Because I have set nvda to report indentation, so my nvda will
report space blank if the line is containing one space.
Gene 於 27/5/2022 18:55 寫道:
can't help further unless what you are describing is stated
very clearly. When do you hear space blank? What, exactly,
are you doing when you hear it? You write as though you hear
both space and blank spoken when you take the same action.
For example, when you move by character, you hear space blank
spoken when you move. I'm not saying that is what happens,
but I don't know what you are describing. Is that what you
are saying and if so, what is the action that causes the
On 5/27/2022 1:15 AM, William
I have a blank line in Notepad, I hear blank. When I put
spaces on the line and nothing else, it still says blank.
But if I want to check to see if there are any spaces on
the line and I issue the say current line command twice
quickly, the > number of spaces are spoken on the line
and blank isn't.
If it is in Notepad++, it will
say space blank.
> You don't want to hear
space spoken when you are reading lines.
Sometimes, I am editing a file
which was given by a sighted person, and I see that there
are lines of spaces but it says blank, so at the first
glance, I am confused. But I totally agree that it is like
sighted people do not see spaces, so line with only spaces
can be regarded as blank.
Gene 於 27/5/2022 11:32 寫道:
sounds to me as though you aren't reporting when it says
space and blank with enough detail. If I have a blank
line in Notepad, I hear blank. When I put spaces on the
line and nothing else, it still says blank. But if I want
to check to see if there are any spaces on the line and I
issue the say current line command twice quickly, the
number of spaces are spoken on the line and blank isn't.
That makes sense since if it announced space when it saw
spaces in a line when not spelling the line, you would
hear space announced during ordinary reading between every
On 5/26/2022 9:43 PM, William
Hmm, I am just wondering to my understand, blank is
nothing, but if there is spaces, and it says blank, I
may be confused.
Quentin Christensen 於 27/5/2022 10:13 寫道:
What is the context and would you
rather it read?
When there is a empty line, nvda will report
But, if the line contain only spaces, say " " nvda
will say "space blank."
I wanna understand why nvda still regard it as
blank when there are spaces?
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