Re: IMPORTANT Notice on Joseph Lee's add-ons: reducing/ending support for Windows 7, 8, 8.1 and unsupported Windows 10 feature updates effective january 2023
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Thanks for the clarification. I do feel that the worries over security are over the top, but at the moment everyone seems to be taking this line of trying to stop people downloading stuff at their own risk.toggle quoted messageShow quoted text
I would point out that a straw poll of home users, not scientific at all, I have to say, suggests to me that many, probably about half or slightly less of them are using Windows 7 on at least one machine.
Of course there is nothing stopping them getting windows 10, but many tell me in these cash strapped days that buying new hardware merely to run Windows 11 cannot be justified, so down the line we could be seeing a similar problem with people using 10 who have no plans to go 11.
Of course even if support for 7 ends, there is really nothing to stop people still using the NVDA add ons that work and older copies of those which don't.
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Joseph Lee" <joseph.lee22590@...>
Sent: Monday, June 27, 2022 10:04 PM
Subject: [nvda] IMPORTANT Notice on Joseph Lee's add-ons: reducing/ending support for Windows 7, 8, 8.1 and unsupported Windows 10 feature updates effective january 2023
Hello NVDA community,
Before I get into the heart of this announcement, I'm delighted to announce
that all my add-ons are compatible with NVDA 2022.2 changes. And yes, I'm
back - thank you everyone for your valuable feedback, comments, and
criticisms - I still have some residue from NVDA 2022.1 and add-ons work but
feeling a bit better after taking a break for a while.
The following notice is applicable to anyone using my add-ons (Ad-on
Updater, Windows App Essentials, future add-ons and/or add-ons awaiting new
maintainers), specifically for anyone using Windows 7, 8, 8.1, and their
server counterparts. Please do NOT take this as a statement on NVDA and
support for Windows releases (for that one, see a message from Quentin from
NV Access posted earlier this year):
Earlier this year I (Joseph Lee) announced that my add-ons will eventually
end support for Windows 7, 8, and 8.1, noting that I will provide a 60-day
notice before then. I then sent a notice in March 2022, stating that
add-ons, including ones leaving my maintenance (which there were five then)
will end support for Windows 7 and 8.x effective May 2022; I also noted that
there will be an exception, namely Add-on Updater which will support old
Windows releases as long as NVDA supports them. On paper, end of support
date was May 7, 2022 but due to various community events (namely preparing
for NVDA 2022.1), I forgot to announce that fact.
My original plan was and still is to see if anyone from the NVDA community
can take care of now unmaintained add-ons from me (Enhanced Touch Gestures,
Event Tracker, GoldWave, Resource Monitor, Sound Splitter, StationPlaylist)
with a possibility that new maintainers will release a version of these
add-ons requiring Windows 10 or later eventually (source code is ready).
However, since I haven't received messages about new maintainers (as of time
of this announcement), I am revising the plan as follows:
Effective January 2023, all of my add-ons with limited exceptions will no
longer support unsupported or soon to be unsupported Windows releases,
including Windows 7/Server 2008 R2, Windows 8/Server 2012, Windows
8.1/Server 2012 R2, and unsupported feature updates for Windows 10 and later
from the standpoint of consumers and businesses. For Windows 10, unsupported
feature updates are 1507 (build 10240), 1511 (build 10586/November Update),
1607 (build 14393/Anniversary Update), 1703 (build 15063/Creators Update),
1709 (build 16299/Fall Creators Update), 1803 (build 17134/April 2018
Update), 1809 (build 17763/October 2018 Update), 1903 (build 18362/May 2019
Update), 1909 (build 18363/November 2019 Update), 2004 (build 19041/May 2020
Update), and from December 2022 onwards, 21H1 (build 19043/May 2021 Update);
although consumer support for 20H2 (build 19042/October 2020 Update) ended
in May 2022, business support ends in May 2023, thus it is still a supported
Windows 10 feature update. The list of supported and unsupported Windows
releases can change based on Windows product lifecycle schedule. This policy
applies to current and future add-ons, and if circumstances warrant it, any
add-ons I have maintained in the past that are not being maintained by the
community as of January 2023 (see notes).
1. The only exception will be Add-on Updater which will have reduced
functionality on unsupported Windows releases so that it can provide a
"nightlight" (minimal service for emergency and special uses) and to keep my
promise of supporting old Windows releases as long as NVDA itself supports
them. That is, even though updates for Ad-on Updater will be compatible with
unsupported releases, new features will be exclusive to supported Windows
releases; for users of older Windows releases, consider this a "feature
freeze" notice. As for what constitutes nightlight functionality, I expect
that you will be able to at least check for, download, and install add-on
updates and tell Add-on Updater to not check for some add-on updates;
details will be communicated soon. One thing is certain: unless things
change, Add-on Updater will continue to work on unsupported Windows releases
but remember that you will be on your own due to security risks associated
with downloading data from the Internet; PROCEED WITH CAUTION!
2. Windows App Essentials supports Windows 10 and 11 feature updates
that are actively supported for consumers (as of time of this writing,
Windows 10 Version 21H1, 21H2 (build 19044/November 2021 Update), Windows
Server 2022 (build 20348), Windows 11 Version 21H2 (build 22000)), with the
add-on ending support for a given feature update prior to end of consumer
support from Microsoft (for example, Windows App Essentials will end support
for Windows 10 Version 21H1 by September 2022, three months prior to
Microsoft ending support for it (December), and support for Windows 10
Version 21H2 from the add-on is scheduled to end in early 2023 prior to end
of consumer-level support in June 2023).
3. The following add-ons are no longer (actively) maintained by me as
of time of this post: Enhanced Touch Gestures, Event Tracker, GoldWave,
Resource Monitor, Sound Splitter, StationPlaylist. If no-one volunteers to
maintain them by January 2023, the unsupported Windows release policy will
apply to them as well - that is, a version of these add-ons will be released
that will not install on unsupported Windows releases.
Frequently asked questions:
Q. Does this mean NVDA itself will end support for unsupported Windows
No. NV Access noted that NVDA will support Windows 7, 8, 8.1 and other old
Q. What about add-ons such as Control Usage Assistant?
Add-ons such as Control Usage Assistant (formerly maintained by me) have new
maintainers, therefore this policy notice does not apply to them.
Q. Can I modify future add-on releases for use on unsupported Windows
Yes and no. Yes you can view and modify add-ons so they can work on
unsupported releases. At the same time, for some add-ons, supporting legacy
Windows releases will require extensive edits to the add-on source code as
legacy Windows code were removed for some add-ons in March 2022.
Q. Why is using Add-on Updater on unsupported Windows releases a potential
At its core, Add-on Updater downloads data from the Internet. Therefore, it
might be possible that add-on hosting repositories can be compromised,
leading to distribution of malicious add-ons. The add-ons community takes
add-on security seriously, particularly when it comes to distribution
Q. Does this mean future add-ons from Joseph will not support old Windows
Yes. While the policy takes full effect in January 2023, you can assume that
new add-ons I (Joseph Lee) may publish in 2022 will require Windows 10
Version 21H1 or later.
Q. Do you have plans to release updates for unmaintained add-ons prior to
the policy taking effect in January 2023?
For Enhanced Touch Gestures, Event Tracker, GoldWave, Resource Monitor,
Sound Splitter, and StationPlaylist, I have no plans to release updates in
2022; rather, releasing updates is close to impossible as these add-ons no
longer support old Windows releases at the source code level.
Q. Wait, the just announced policy sounds similar to the feature update
support policy for Windows App Essentials add-on.
In some ways, yes. The difference is that Windows App Essentials support
Windows 10 and later whereas other add-ons support old Windows releases such
as Windows 7.
Q. Why January 2023?
This is when support for Windows 7 and 8.1 will end for most users (extended
security updates for Windows 7, extended support for Windows 8.1; Windows 8
is end of life as of January 2016).
Q. Does this policy apply to Windows Server releases?
Yes. While some Windows 10 releases have a server counterpart, they (2016,
2019, 2022) are still supported by Microsoft.
Q. What if I'm using Windows 10 Enterprise long-term servicing
branch/channel (LTSB/LTSC) releases?
Since this edition is meant for mission-critical devices, I and my add-ons
do not support this scenario. Windows App Essentials add-on itself does not
support this configuration either.
The key takeaway is this: if you can, please upgrade to supported Windows
releases as soon as possible. Feel free to contact me if you have additional
questions or comments.