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Thanks for the help, Gene. I got sighted help; the whole thing is
the worst doodle poll I've seen yet. They use to be accessible
On 6/30/2022 3:00 AM, Gene wrote:
I just tried the submit button and a dialog comes up asking for my
name and e-mail address so the form may be usable after all. But
it might be a good idea to verify that you are placing information
where you think you are in terms of check boxes and there are one
or two check boxes that I don't understand what they do. Their
purpose might be more clear to a sighted user.
On 6/30/2022 4:56 AM, Gene wrote:
Probably a final word at this time:
First, when moving with the Brave browser, stay in browse mode
and down arrow through the form.
Also, I thought I had figured out how this form might be used,
but it may be unusable. There is no can't find a time button
and no dialog to enter your name and e-mail address. I didn't
press the submit button when using the brave browser to see what
happens. You can try and maybe you will be asked for the
information, which would appear to make the form usable.
On 6/30/2022 4:50 AM, Gene wrote:
Here is more information. I just tried this using the Brave
browser. I suspect the results would be the same or similar
in any Chrome-based browser. I saw a lot more fields and
checking check boxes with the space bar works. But be careful
you understand what you are checking. You seem to see
different dates and days of the week, such as Wednesday, July
13 and check boxes for different times.
Evidently, Firefox doesn't see most of the check boxes. All I
can say is experiment and it might be a good idea to have a
sighted person look at the results of what you are doing to
see if what seems to be happenning is, that is, are you
checking the times for the date you think you are?
On 6/30/2022 4:31 AM, Gene wrote:
Here is a correction and another minor correction.
On the button that places me in the wrong field where I said
that returning to it and repeating the command many times
changes the state of the check box, that doesn't work. Do
the following instead,
When you are moved to the wrong field, tab back to the
actual check box. Use the numpad insert numpad plus
command once on the check box. You will hear check if it is
unchecked. Then shift tab to the button and use the double
click command, NVDA insert NVDA enter issued very quickly
the same command you have been using. That works, or it did
the two times I tested it.
the minor correction is that at times, issuing what I'm
calling the double click command only once works with other
On 6/30/2022 4:20 AM, Gene
This way seems to work. It may sound involved but it may
sound a lot more involved than it is. I hope it works for
you. I did this using my Windows 7 machine, Firefox and
NVDA. You can see if it works on your system with
whatever browsers you want to try.
It appears I figured out how to get the check boxes to
check and uncheck, but I don't understand why this works
and why another thing doesn't work. Try the following:
Tab around and be on something you want to check. Turn
off browse mode. You will find a button and a check box,
both for the same thing. If you use keyboard commands,
nothing will happen.
You will find that if you are on a check box, using the
default action command, numpad insert numpad enter, you
will hear check if the box is unchecked and uncheck if the
box is checked. However, if you then look at the state of
the check box, you will find it unchanged.
Instead, work with the button associated with the check
box, which is a shift tab back from the check box.
Use the same command, numpad insert, numpad enter.
Issue the command twice quickly, as though you were double
clicking a mouse. Check the check box by tabbing once to
it. This doesn't work the first time, at least not
usually. Shift back to the button and Issue the double
click command again and check. If that doesn't work,
issue it a third time, going back to the button to issue
the command every time. This usually works for me after
the second or I think sometimes the third time I issue the
As you tab, after you have checked whatever you want, you
will find a button that says cannot find a time. Press
the space bar on it and a dialog will come up to fill in
your name and e-mail address. Fill in both fields and tab
to the appropriate button. I don't recall what it says
but use it to submit the form.
I noticed on one of the fields in this form that when I
would double click the button, it moved me to a completely
different field, moving me backward. but if I kept
tabbing back to the right button and double clicking it,
after a number of times, the check box was checked.
This is such a ramshackle way of doing things because of
the odd now it works and now it doesn't nature of what is
occurring that all I can say is these methods or about
these methods work when I try them on this form. You may
find you need to experiment but I'm not at all sure
anything else works.
While this is hardly ideal, it seems to let you do what
you want in filling out such a form. I have no idea if
you can create one successfully.
On 6/29/2022 10:10 PM, Mary
didn't include an example, because I thought they were
all the same, and I didn't want people to accidentally
enter things on an unrelated poll. However, here is the
poll I was having a problem with:
On 6/29/2022 8:06 PM, Luke Davis wrote:
Mary Otten wrote:
doodle poll, and I have tried
on firefox and google chrome. And I just don't get
it. Are these things suppose to be accessible? I see
nowhere to enter my
Where is the example? I'm sure you meant to include an
example we could try, but it didn't show up.