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I used Window Eyes for 9 years, I still miss the way you could
move around the mouse area.
On 7/19/2022 6:26 AM, Michael Munn
I was a user of Window-eyes for several
years before they sentenced that screen reader to death.
Window-eyes is one the only screen reader is far I know of
ever made a deal with Microsoft so this way it’s user can use
Office for free. Heck, that was the screen reader my school
taught me to use when I was in seventh grade because they have
the latest version of Office. Right now I’m a heavy user of
Jaws in Windows, and I just recently getting in to Voice Over
on the Mac. I do use NVDA but I’m not a full time user of it.
It is good for an operating system to be open sourced so this
way the end user with vision problem can have multiple choice
to what screen reader they choose to install on their machine.
Michael H> Munn
Yeah, I couldn't get that because you have to have a
Brazilian bank account in a certain bank to get it. I thought
it would be cool to try it. I did have DosVox though for a
while and played around with it some years ago. There were
some cool games, I especially liked the one where you have to
try to land on the moon. But I had to use a different voice,
the native voice was incomprehensible to me as it was just
made up of a bunch of syllables in wav files. Sounded like an
alien robot. For native speakers it wasn't a problem, but for
me I hated it. Luckily you could use a Sapi voice with it. It
was basically a screen reader for people who didn't want to
have to learn windows. It had loads of parts like a word
processor, dictionaries, a telnet type client, and a file
manager and I forget what else. Lots of people say it makes
its users lazy for that reason, and they don't bother learning
how to do things with windows and other programs.
On 7/18/2022 6:35 PM, Rui Fontes wrote:
And everybody have forgoten a screen reader developed in
Brasil, named Virtual Vision...
Às 00:28 de 19/07/2022, Gene escreveu:
article is interesting and it has good information about
JAWS and NVDA. But it has problems. It should have said
something about Window-eyes because a lot of people used
it and it was a good screen-reader. It helped in
development of screen-reader innovations in ways that
should have been noted.
But a serious problem in the article is that it gives the
reader the impression that there shouldn't need to be
independently developed screen-readers if developers of
software built accessibility into them. This is erroneous
for two reasons.
First, yes, accessibility should be built into programs
and operating systems but we have been better served by
screen-readers being developed outside of operating system
programmers. We are much better off having choices when
it comes to Windows screen-readers. It is a constantly
stated truism that some screen-readers work better with
some programs than others. If Microsoft had developed a
good screen-reader from the outset, we would probably only
have one screen-reader and even if we would benefit from
having more, we wouldn't.
The article doesn't discuss this at all and the author is
evidently completely unaware of the arguments about which
is better, one screen-reader developed by the developers
of an operating system or what exists regarding Windows.
I think we are much better off as things are.
On 7/14/2022 10:06 PM, Laurie Mehta
via groups.io wrote: