Re: The Inside Story of NVDA: what a screen reader is and is not, possibilities and constraints of screen readers #NVDA_Internals

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I think the biggest loss and the one most program and web site developers cannot get their heads around is the over view issue. Yes you can list headers, lists links buttons and interactive areas, but the mental pictures we get are different to what the sighted will have.
I find it very frustrating to be told you just need to go right from where you are into the side bar, when a keyboard its impossible to achieve this in one movement unless you start emulating the mouse and manually shifting the focus, a task quite hard to do without accidentally triggering something else.

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From: "Brian Vogel" <britechguy@...>
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Sent: Monday, September 19, 2022 3:27 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] The Inside Story of NVDA: what a screen reader is and is not, possibilities and constraints of screen readers #NVDA_Internals

On Sun, Sep 18, 2022 at 08:26 PM, Gene wrote:

You can't have equal access as a blind user because you are not accessing
the technology in the same way and sight provides more information and
faster when dealing with computer information if it is visual.

You and I are in close to absolute agreement about this. But, and it's an important but, it's "as equal as can currently be achieved" when it comes to written content.

If you want equal to be "equal to having vision," then that will never be achieved. I've said it many times, and have no hesitation about doing so: Screen readers are workarounds that substitute one sensory modality, audition/hearing, for another vision. There is no way to do this without something being "lost in translation" even if the only thing (and it's usually not the only thing) is speed. The same would be true in reverse. And there are things, like picture description, that will never, ever, ever, come close to being able to transmit the information an image contains, in its totality, that can be and is transmitted by seeing it. Just as you cannot say that describing something as "a flute playing," or "a piano playing," carries the same information, whether to a deaf or hearing person, as actually hearing it does. There are things that are sui generis to each of our sensory modalities that defy any conversion. So, that's another reason there can never be "perfection of equality."

The above being said, the equality of access to written material is really about as close as you're ever going to get to equal. Slogans/tag lines are not meant to be perfect expressions that capture every nuance of an idea (or the limitations it entails, either).

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