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Re: free conversion software

Heaven Botma <heaven@...>
 

Hi

Thank you very much.

We have started using Robobraille and it works perfectly well.

The specific need was for a programme that would OCR scanned PDF documents and conert them to something like .doc/.docx.

Abby Fine Reader would not have worked for our purpose since it is not frree, but thank you for the suggestion.

Thank you for all your support. It is much appreciated.

Kind regards




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-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Josh Kennedy
Sent: Saturday, 29 October 2016 4:00 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] free conversion software

you could also try www.robobraille.org ... it converts pdf to anything you want.


Re: FREE CONVERSION SOFTWARE

Nicholas Stevens
 

Hi Heaven,
Try abby fine reader. Works well.
Regards
Nicholas

Sent: Friday, October 28, 2016 1:08 PM
Subject: [nvda] FREE CONVERSION SOFTWARE

Hi Group

 

Does anyone know of free software which can convert PDF to .doc/.docx or any other editable format and OCR the document as well.  It does not have to be blind accessible, since my sighted colleagues usually work with scanning files.

 

Any open source programme will be appreciated.

 

Thank you very much in advance.


Kind regards

 

Heaven Botma

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Re: problem reading form

Gary Metzler <gmtravel@...>
 

Hi Brian,

Thanks for the key strokes. This is very helpful.

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Subject: Re: [nvda] problem reading form

NVDA/space bar toggles.
Brian

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Sent: Saturday, October 29, 2016 2:05 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] problem reading form


Hi Brian,

I forgot to ask, how do you get in and out of browse mode? Thanks for your help.

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Sent: Saturday, October 29, 2016 5:41 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] problem reading form

Its very difficult sometimes when a form writer changes their design part
way through. and the only way I've ever found to figure them out short of a
sighted person is to force browse mode and try to work out how the page is
laid out and toggle back and forth to try to deduce which text is supposed
to be with which button or checkbox or whatever.
If only these people understood that suddenly changing from a straight form
to one in tables and back again in the middle was such a hassle for any user
without an overview of the page, it would perhaps stop all this daftness.
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Gary Metzler " <gmtravel@bellsouth.net>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, October 29, 2016 9:29 AM
Subject: [nvda] problem reading form


Hi All,

I was filling out a form on a web site I had no problem filling out my
personal information. When it came to answering some questions I couldn’t
read the questions. There were some radio buttons but, I didn’t know what
they pretain to. Is there a work around for this? I am using the latest
nvda and windows.I am using ie 11. Thanks for any help.Regards, Gary kn4ox







Re: problem reading form

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Yes whichever way you do it is a hassle and most of the ones I have seen are because they use a table part way through.
Survey Monkey forms often seem to do this.
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Travis Siegel" <tsiegel@softcon.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, October 29, 2016 5:20 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] problem reading form


Generally, when you see the radio buttons, check boxes, and other items
in a form that have no labels, it's because the web page designer put
the text to the left or on top of the items in question. You need to
exit forms mode (press the escape key) navigate left/up, and read the
text pertaining tothe buttons/boxes, then go back to where you need to
be, and press enter on the button/checkbox of choice to reenter forms
mode. Kind of a hassle, but it works (for the most part).


The only time I have troubles is when it's one of those damnable scroll
to the bottom to activate button things usually found in
agreements/license terms. I hate those things, and it's always a crap
shoot as to whether you'll actually manage to activate said button or
not. A couple days ago, I had a form with two of those damned things,
and alhthough I managed to get one to show up, no matter what I did, I
couldn't get the other one to activate, so had to give up in disgust and
abandon that purchase. It kind of bites, but what can you do?


On 10/29/2016 4:29 AM, Gary Metzler wrote:
Hi All,
I was filling out a form on a web site I had no problem filling out my
personal information. When it came to answering some questions I
couldn’t read the questions. There were some radio buttons but, I
didn’t know what they pretain to. Is there a work around for this? I
am using the latest nvda and windows.I am using ie 11. Thanks for any
help.Regards, Gary kn4ox
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Re: problem reading form

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NVDA/space bar toggles.
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Gary Metzler " <gmtravel@bellsouth.net>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, October 29, 2016 2:05 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] problem reading form


Hi Brian,

I forgot to ask, how do you get in and out of browse mode? Thanks for your help.

-----Original Message-----
From: Brian's Mail list account
Sent: Saturday, October 29, 2016 5:41 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] problem reading form

Its very difficult sometimes when a form writer changes their design part
way through. and the only way I've ever found to figure them out short of a
sighted person is to force browse mode and try to work out how the page is
laid out and toggle back and forth to try to deduce which text is supposed
to be with which button or checkbox or whatever.
If only these people understood that suddenly changing from a straight form
to one in tables and back again in the middle was such a hassle for any user
without an overview of the page, it would perhaps stop all this daftness.
Brian

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From: "Gary Metzler " <gmtravel@bellsouth.net>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, October 29, 2016 9:29 AM
Subject: [nvda] problem reading form


Hi All,

I was filling out a form on a web site I had no problem filling out my
personal information. When it came to answering some questions I couldn’t
read the questions. There were some radio buttons but, I didn’t know what
they pretain to. Is there a work around for this? I am using the latest
nvda and windows.I am using ie 11. Thanks for any help.Regards, Gary kn4ox






Re: free conversion software

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Can it do decent OCR on pdf pictures of text though?
I used to use tis myself for more normal things.
Brian

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From: "Josh Kennedy" <joshknnd1982@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, October 29, 2016 1:59 PM
Subject: [nvda] free conversion software


you could also try www.robobraille.org ... it converts pdf to anything you want.





Re: FREE CONVERSION SOFTWARE

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We know that, but they are blatantly refusing to do so nationwide. There are some pockets of compliance but the issue is being shuttled up and down management and nobody wants to actually do it so they hide behind the data protection act instead if challenged.
This is really not a discussion for here, but thought I'd let you know I'm in on this one, but I fear until some large class action is arranged and not settled out of court, they will not comply no matter what the law says.
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "CJ" <cj@azabat.org.uk>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, October 29, 2016 10:07 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] FREE CONVERSION SOFTWARE


Brian, you may be interested to know that since 31 July 2016, it is a
legal requirement for all NHS facilities to send appointments by email
in plain text if requested. That is not to say that it is that easy - I
am currently pursuing a complaint against my health authority for not
having the the facilities in place to meet the deadline. This was a
directive issued by NHS England on 3 July 2015 for an Accessible
Information Standard. You can read the full details here:
*https://www.england.nhs.uk/ourwork/accessibleinfo/ *The relevant
documents are in both pdf and word format to download.

It would appear that a lot of health authorities have not met the
deadline, mine didn't even seem to know about it, so it would be worth
while everyone insisting on email appointments to force the NHS to pull
their fingers out to get this sorted as quickly as possible.

CJ

On 29/10/2016 10:29, Brian's Mail list account wrote:
A Word of warning though, If the text is not tagged for its reading
order if the format alters anywhere in the file, then you will be most
likely to get columns running together and all sorts of other odd
things when you convert it however you do it.
Far too many government pdfs are protected these days. There seems to
be a bit of paranoia, at least in the UK with this.
as for OCR well, much depends on the quality of the scanned image. I
have been attempting to ocr things like appointment letters from NHS
recently with mixed results. Their printer must be ex Flintstones I
imagine.
Brian


Re: problem reading form

Gary Metzler <gmtravel@...>
 

Thanks for the explanation.  It is very helpful.
 

From: Travis Siegel
Sent: Saturday, October 29, 2016 1:20 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] problem reading form
 

Generally, when you see the radio buttons, check boxes, and other items in a form that have no labels, it's because the web page designer put the text to the left or on top of the items in question.  You need to exit forms mode (press the escape key) navigate left/up, and read the text pertaining tothe buttons/boxes, then go back to where you need to be, and press enter on the button/checkbox of choice to reenter forms mode.  Kind of a hassle, but it works (for the most part).

 

The only time I have troubles is when it's one of those damnable scroll to the bottom to activate button things usually found in agreements/license terms.  I hate those things, and it's always a crap shoot as to whether you'll actually manage to activate said button or not.  A couple days ago, I had a form with two of those damned things, and alhthough I managed to get one to show up, no matter what I did, I couldn't get the other one to activate, so had to give up in disgust and abandon that purchase.  It kind of bites, but what can you do?


On 10/29/2016 4:29 AM, Gary Metzler wrote:
Hi All,
 
I was filling out a form on a web site I had no problem filling out my personal information.  When it came to answering some questions I couldn’t read the questions.  There were some radio buttons but, I didn’t know what they pretain to.  Is there a work around for this?  I am using the latest nvda and windows.I am using ie 11.  Thanks for any help.Regards, Gary kn4ox


Re: Lite version of Outlook.com

Melissa Galbraith <wvflutist@...>
 

I agree that the blind community has been left out of a lot of things. As for phones, I have an android and I either voice text or use my bluetooth. As for email clients, I really like thunderbird. Gmail is a pain, but when you get it configured to thunderbird, you have the list view right there and can just go down the list.


Melissa

On 10/29/2016 2:04 PM, Marisane Moruthanyana wrote:
Brian and other listers

I am very sad and confused by this.

I've not been able to read my outlook.com emails messages for a while now and this is annoying.

Even when one tries to use it with the desktop outlook, it does not leave one alone.

Settings are no longer easily configured like it used to be.

These tech gurus just want to leave the blind community out of everything.

Let's shout very loudly about this that Microsoft sees how unfairly they're treting us.

Cellphones have gone too much into the touch world leaving us out.

We're today struggling; even just typing an ordinary message becomes a hell lot of energy and effort.

Why are we so done?

I am with whoever is worried by the unnecessary changes Microsoft brought to outlook.com.

Something must be done about this.

Marisane

-----Original Message-----
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Sent: 29 October 2016 11:34 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Lite version of Outlook.com

I'm told you can still set it up with pop3 if you want, but I gave up since I found I had to alter settings too often in email software. I really don't know why email suppliers cannot leave well alone and have to fiddle with everything all the time for no apparent gain of any sort.
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Pauline Smith" <paulinesmithh@comcast.net>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, October 28, 2016 11:48 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Lite version of Outlook.com


I can confirm the difficulty of using the new outlook.com. I have not
been able to successfully read emails from my Hotmail account in quite
some time. Tried using NVDA and another screen reader.


Pauline



On 10/23/2016 10:40 AM, Supanut Leepaisomboon wrote:
I saw the check box but it is disabled, below it there's a message
saying that it isn't available for Outlook.com, which is strange
because the lite version was able to be used when I used IE8 on my XP
virtual machine.

This leaves me with 2 options. Either switch to Thunderbird, or try in
any way I could to trick Outlook.com into thinking that I'm using IE8,
I.E user agent spoofing in Firefox which worked as there's an add on
for that, but it's global, which is not what I want as I want the
spoofing to occur on Outlook.com only and not everywhere.

I did sent Microsoft a feedback regarding this, but so far they didn't
seem to be doing anything about the accessibility issues with the new
Outlook.com.






Re: Lite version of Outlook.com

Marisane Moruthanyana
 

Brian and other listers

I am very sad and confused by this.

I've not been able to read my outlook.com emails messages for a while now and this is annoying.

Even when one tries to use it with the desktop outlook, it does not leave one alone.

Settings are no longer easily configured like it used to be.

These tech gurus just want to leave the blind community out of everything.

Let's shout very loudly about this that Microsoft sees how unfairly they're treting us.

Cellphones have gone too much into the touch world leaving us out.

We're today struggling; even just typing an ordinary message becomes a hell lot of energy and effort.

Why are we so done?

I am with whoever is worried by the unnecessary changes Microsoft brought to outlook.com.

Something must be done about this.

Marisane

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian's Mail list account
Sent: 29 October 2016 11:34 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Lite version of Outlook.com

I'm told you can still set it up with pop3 if you want, but I gave up since I found I had to alter settings too often in email software. I really don't know why email suppliers cannot leave well alone and have to fiddle with everything all the time for no apparent gain of any sort.
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Pauline Smith" <paulinesmithh@comcast.net>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, October 28, 2016 11:48 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Lite version of Outlook.com


I can confirm the difficulty of using the new outlook.com. I have not
been able to successfully read emails from my Hotmail account in quite
some time. Tried using NVDA and another screen reader.


Pauline



On 10/23/2016 10:40 AM, Supanut Leepaisomboon wrote:

I saw the check box but it is disabled, below it there's a message
saying that it isn't available for Outlook.com, which is strange
because the lite version was able to be used when I used IE8 on my XP
virtual machine.

This leaves me with 2 options. Either switch to Thunderbird, or try in
any way I could to trick Outlook.com into thinking that I'm using IE8,
I.E user agent spoofing in Firefox which worked as there's an add on
for that, but it's global, which is not what I want as I want the
spoofing to occur on Outlook.com only and not everywhere.

I did sent Microsoft a feedback regarding this, but so far they didn't
seem to be doing anything about the accessibility issues with the new
Outlook.com.


Re: problem reading form

Travis Siegel <tsiegel@...>
 

Generally, when you see the radio buttons, check boxes, and other items in a form that have no labels, it's because the web page designer put the text to the left or on top of the items in question.  You need to exit forms mode (press the escape key) navigate left/up, and read the text pertaining tothe buttons/boxes, then go back to where you need to be, and press enter on the button/checkbox of choice to reenter forms mode.  Kind of a hassle, but it works (for the most part).


The only time I have troubles is when it's one of those damnable scroll to the bottom to activate button things usually found in agreements/license terms.  I hate those things, and it's always a crap shoot as to whether you'll actually manage to activate said button or not.  A couple days ago, I had a form with two of those damned things, and alhthough I managed to get one to show up, no matter what I did, I couldn't get the other one to activate, so had to give up in disgust and abandon that purchase.  It kind of bites, but what can you do?


On 10/29/2016 4:29 AM, Gary Metzler wrote:
Hi All,
 
I was filling out a form on a web site I had no problem filling out my personal information.  When it came to answering some questions I couldn’t read the questions.  There were some radio buttons but, I didn’t know what they pretain to.  Is there a work around for this?  I am using the latest nvda and windows.I am using ie 11.  Thanks for any help.Regards, Gary kn4ox
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Re: kill windowless flash no longer works

Stephen
 

I don't know, sorry.

At 08:25 PM 10/29/2016, you wrote:
Something to take up with Jamie on the dev list I'd suggest, as I think it was his code. Do you know if the problem is the browser or greasemonkey itself?
Brian

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To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, October 28, 2016 11:35 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] kill windowless flash no longer works


hi,

noticed the same.


On 10/28/2016 10:59 AM, Stephen wrote:
Hi.
I'm using firefox 49.0.2 and I've installed the latest greasemonkey, but the kill windowless flash script no longer works. Can anyone help me to fix this? is there a new script I can download? I've been trying to google kill windowless flash but I'm just not getting anywhere and it's extremely frustrating.
Thanks.



Re: problem reading form

Gary Metzler <gmtravel@...>
 

Hi Brian,

I forgot to ask, how do you get in and out of browse mode? Thanks for your help.

-----Original Message-----
From: Brian's Mail list account
Sent: Saturday, October 29, 2016 5:41 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] problem reading form

Its very difficult sometimes when a form writer changes their design part
way through. and the only way I've ever found to figure them out short of a
sighted person is to force browse mode and try to work out how the page is
laid out and toggle back and forth to try to deduce which text is supposed
to be with which button or checkbox or whatever.
If only these people understood that suddenly changing from a straight form
to one in tables and back again in the middle was such a hassle for any user
without an overview of the page, it would perhaps stop all this daftness.
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Gary Metzler " <gmtravel@bellsouth.net>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, October 29, 2016 9:29 AM
Subject: [nvda] problem reading form


Hi All,

I was filling out a form on a web site I had no problem filling out my
personal information. When it came to answering some questions I couldn’t
read the questions. There were some radio buttons but, I didn’t know what
they pretain to. Is there a work around for this? I am using the latest
nvda and windows.I am using ie 11. Thanks for any help.Regards, Gary kn4ox


free conversion software

Josh Kennedy
 

you could also try www.robobraille.org ... it converts pdf to anything you want.


Re: problem reading form

Gary Metzler <gmtravel@...>
 

Hi Brian,

Thanks for the info.

-----Original Message-----
From: Brian's Mail list account
Sent: Saturday, October 29, 2016 5:41 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] problem reading form

Its very difficult sometimes when a form writer changes their design part
way through. and the only way I've ever found to figure them out short of a
sighted person is to force browse mode and try to work out how the page is
laid out and toggle back and forth to try to deduce which text is supposed
to be with which button or checkbox or whatever.
If only these people understood that suddenly changing from a straight form
to one in tables and back again in the middle was such a hassle for any user
without an overview of the page, it would perhaps stop all this daftness.
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Gary Metzler " <gmtravel@bellsouth.net>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, October 29, 2016 9:29 AM
Subject: [nvda] problem reading form


Hi All,

I was filling out a form on a web site I had no problem filling out my
personal information. When it came to answering some questions I couldn’t
read the questions. There were some radio buttons but, I didn’t know what
they pretain to. Is there a work around for this? I am using the latest
nvda and windows.I am using ie 11. Thanks for any help.Regards, Gary kn4ox


Re: FREE CONVERSION SOFTWARE

CJ
 

Brian, you may be interested to know that since 31 July 2016, it is a legal requirement for all NHS facilities to send appointments by email in plain text if requested. That is not to say that it is that easy - I am currently pursuing a complaint against my health authority for not having the the facilities in place to meet the deadline. This was a directive issued by NHS England on 3 July 2015 for an Accessible Information Standard. You can read the full details here: https://www.england.nhs.uk/ourwork/accessibleinfo/ The relevant documents are in both pdf and word format to download.

It would appear that a lot of health authorities have not met the deadline, mine didn't even seem to know about it, so it would be worth while everyone insisting on email appointments to force the NHS to pull their fingers out to get this sorted as quickly as possible.

CJ

On 29/10/2016 10:29, Brian's Mail list account wrote:
A Word of warning though, If the  text is not tagged for its reading order if the format alters anywhere in the file, then you will be most likely to get columns running together and all sorts of other odd things when you convert it however you do it.
Far too many government pdfs are protected these days. There seems to be a bit of paranoia, at least in the UK with this.
as for OCR well, much depends on the quality of the scanned image. I have been attempting to ocr things like appointment letters from NHS recently with mixed results. Their printer must be ex Flintstones I imagine.
Brian



Re: vocalizer for nvda and jaws

Mallard
 

rui, please, don't!

We can wait... Or, I sould say, I can wait!!!


Ciao,
Ollie
ps: I only have NVDA, so I don't know what Vocalizer for Jaws sounds like, but I can imagine...

Il 29/10/2016 03:33, Rui Fontes ha scritto:
Do you want Vocalizer for NVDA with the same problems of pronunciation of Vocalizer for Jaws 18?
In that way, we can release it in a couple of weeks...

Regards,

Rui


-----Mensagem Original----- De: Bobby
Data: 29 de outubro de 2016 02:27
Para: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Assunto: [nvda] vocalizer for nvda and jaws



Hay I was wondering when the new vocalizer voices will be out for nvda because they are out for jaws and that’s not fair. If any one can answer this question I will be very happy.



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Re: problem reading form

Brian's Mail list account <bglists@...>
 

Its very difficult sometimes when a form writer changes their design part way through. and the only way I've ever found to figure them out short of a sighted person is to force browse mode and try to work out how the page is laid out and toggle back and forth to try to deduce which text is supposed to be with which button or checkbox or whatever.
If only these people understood that suddenly changing from a straight form to one in tables and back again in the middle was such a hassle for any user without an overview of the page, it would perhaps stop all this daftness.
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Gary Metzler " <gmtravel@bellsouth.net>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, October 29, 2016 9:29 AM
Subject: [nvda] problem reading form


Hi All,

I was filling out a form on a web site I had no problem filling out my personal information. When it came to answering some questions I couldn’t read the questions. There were some radio buttons but, I didn’t know what they pretain to. Is there a work around for this? I am using the latest nvda and windows.I am using ie 11. Thanks for any help.Regards, Gary kn4ox


Re: vocalizer for nvda and jaws

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I find it quite amazing that even Jaws cannot knock the thing into shape. I suppose its the makers of the voices that have the issue then, and that is very sad.
Brian

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From: "Rui Fontes" <rui.fontes@tiflotecnia.com>
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Sent: Saturday, October 29, 2016 2:33 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] vocalizer for nvda and jaws


Do you want Vocalizer for NVDA with the same problems of pronunciation of Vocalizer for Jaws 18?
In that way, we can release it in a couple of weeks...

Regards,

Rui


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De: Bobby
Data: 29 de outubro de 2016 02:27
Para: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Assunto: [nvda] vocalizer for nvda and jaws



Hay I was wondering when the new vocalizer voices will be out for nvda because they are out for jaws and that’s not fair. If any one can answer this question I will be very happy.



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Re: Lite version of Outlook.com

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I'm told you can still set it up with pop3 if you want, but I gave up since I found I had to alter settings too often in email software. I really don't know why email suppliers cannot leave well alone and have to fiddle with everything all the time for no apparent gain of any sort.
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Sent: Friday, October 28, 2016 11:48 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Lite version of Outlook.com


I can confirm the difficulty of using the new outlook.com. I have not
been able to successfully read emails from my Hotmail account in quite
some time. Tried using NVDA and another screen reader.


Pauline



On 10/23/2016 10:40 AM, Supanut Leepaisomboon wrote:

I saw the check box but it is disabled, below it there's a message
saying that it isn't available for Outlook.com, which is strange
because the lite version was able to be used when I used IE8 on my XP
virtual machine.

This leaves me with 2 options. Either switch to Thunderbird, or try in
any way I could to trick Outlook.com into thinking that I'm using IE8,
I.E user agent spoofing in Firefox which worked as there's an add on
for that, but it's global, which is not what I want as I want the
spoofing to occur on Outlook.com only and not everywhere.

I did sent Microsoft a feedback regarding this, but so far they didn't
seem to be doing anything about the accessibility issues with the new
Outlook.com.