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Re: new messages still showing up at the bottom of my list

Brian's Mail list account <bglists@...>
 

I think this may be due to read vs unread. I was always a bit puzzled by some of the ways Thunderbird did things which is why I stopped using it.
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Rosemarie Chavarria" <knitqueen2007@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, November 16, 2016 12:49 AM
Subject: [nvda] new messages still showing up at the bottom of my list


Hi, everyone,


I have decending order checked in thunderbird but the newer messages are still going to the bottom instead of on top. I don't know what to do about this. Would a clean install help?


Rosemarie





Re: Reading .brf books

Brian's Mail list account <bglists@...>
 

That is not strictly true. If contracted they do have some strange things in them.
I used to convert text to these in another life for use with a very noisy embosser, and although they are sort of text files, they are not so from the readability viewpoint, hence the need to have them as a file type.

Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Gene" <gsasner@ripco.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, November 15, 2016 8:37 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Reading .brf books


I would think that if you change the extension to txt, they will open in Notepad and you should be able to read them untranslated. Braille files are just text files.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Mallard
Sent: Tuesday, November 15, 2016 2:31 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Reading .brf books


Hello all,

I have a number of .brf files, not from Bookshare, which I normally read
on a usb pendrive with my Touchme5 braille display.

I'f like to read them on the pc as well, but I have no idea whether
there are any programmes that would open those files, without converting
the mto txt with Wintrans, for example.

Does such software exist?
Thanks, ciao,
Ollie


Re: Reading .brf books

Gene
 

The original message said that the intention was to read the file with a Braille display.  When I saw an objection, I thought I was wrong.  But as I saw the discussion develop, it appears I was right.  All the objections seem to overlook the fact that the person is going to use a Braille display, not speech. 
 
And if there are problems with line length, using word wrap might solve those.  If there are some sort of formattng symbols used to indicate things such as line lengths that Braille displays don't display, then my idea might not work as well as it might because you might see them but I haven't heard of such symbols. 
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, November 16, 2016 12:06 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Reading .brf books

Hi Gene

 

I only got to see the comversation on reading .brf files. I actually doubt whether changing the file extension from .brf to .txt would help much. I haven’t yet tried it, but just for interest sake, below you will find the last message you sent in normal text, .txt or .docx, what ever you prefer and then the .brf equivalent, after I converted it to .brf using Duxbury 11.1

 

(print text)

I don't know what is different about grade 2 Braille files.  I thought they were text files because my recollection from using the Braille 'n Speak is that when typing with the translator on, they are just text files.  Evidently, there are some sort of differences I don't know about.

 

(braille text)

  ,i don't "k :at is di6]5t ab grade #b

,brl files4  ,i ?"\ !y 7 text files 2c

my recollec;n f us+ ! ,brl ';n ,sp1k is

t :5 typ+ ) ! translator on1 !y >e j

text files4  ,evid5tly1 "! >e "s sort (

di6];es ,i don't "k ab4

 

I know that, when using an Apex Reader, you cannot read .brf files in MS Word, it first must be converted into .txt format

 

Regards

 

Christo Vorster (Worcester, South Africa)

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Wednesday, 16 November 2016 12:14 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Reading .brf books

 

I don't know what is different about grade 2 Braille files.  I thought they were text files because my recollection from using the Braille 'n Speak is that when typing with the translator on, they are just text files.  Evidently, there are some sort of differences I don't know about.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Dan Beaver

Sent: Tuesday, November 15, 2016 3:10 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Reading .brf books

 

They are not just text files if they are in grade 2 or some other contractional format.  They do not present well in notepad if this is the case.

 

Dan Beaver

 

On 11/15/2016 3:37 PM, Gene wrote:

I would think that if you change the extension to txt, they will open in Notepad and you should be able to read them untranslated.  Braille files are just text files.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Mallard

Sent: Tuesday, November 15, 2016 2:31 PM

Subject: [nvda] Reading .brf books

 

Hello all,

I have a number of .brf files, not from Bookshare, which I normally read
on a usb pendrive with my Touchme5 braille display.

I'f like to read them on the pc as well, but I have no idea whether
there are any programmes that would open those files, without converting
the mto txt with Wintrans, for example.

Does such software exist?
Thanks, ciao,
Ollie

 


Re: new messages still showing up at the bottom of my list

Peter Beasley
 

That is the way I like my messages displayed.

-----Original Message-----
From: Rosemarie Chavarria
Sent: Wednesday, November 16, 2016 12:49 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] new messages still showing up at the bottom of my list

Hi, everyone,


I have decending order checked in thunderbird but the newer messages are
still going to the bottom instead of on top. I don't know what to do
about this. Would a clean install help?


Rosemarie


Re: Reading .brf books

Devin Prater
 

Change output braille grade to your language's eight dot version, and BRF files will display just fine.

On Wed, Nov 16, 2016 at 12:56 AM Christo Vorster <christo.vorster@...> wrote:
Hi

Yes, but as far as I know, and I might be mistaken, if you can lay your
hands on an Apex Reader it might be possible.

I'm not sure that the name I mentioned is the 100% correct one, all I know
is that it is an upgraded Braille Note.

I honestly hope I'm not leading you on a wrong path.

Regards

Christo Vorster (Worcester, South Africa)


-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Mallard
Sent: Tuesday, 15 November 2016 10:31 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Reading .brf books

Hello all,

I have a number of .brf files, not from Bookshare, which I normally read on
a usb pendrive with my Touchme5 braille display.

I'f like to read them on the pc as well, but I have no idea whether there
are any programmes that would open those files, without converting the mto
txt with Wintrans, for example.

Does such software exist?
Thanks, ciao,
Ollie







Re: Reading .brf books

Christo Vorster
 

Hi

Yes, but as far as I know, and I might be mistaken, if you can lay your
hands on an Apex Reader it might be possible.

I'm not sure that the name I mentioned is the 100% correct one, all I know
is that it is an upgraded Braille Note.

I honestly hope I'm not leading you on a wrong path.

Regards

Christo Vorster (Worcester, South Africa)

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Mallard
Sent: Tuesday, 15 November 2016 10:31 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Reading .brf books

Hello all,

I have a number of .brf files, not from Bookshare, which I normally read on
a usb pendrive with my Touchme5 braille display.

I'f like to read them on the pc as well, but I have no idea whether there
are any programmes that would open those files, without converting the mto
txt with Wintrans, for example.

Does such software exist?
Thanks, ciao,
Ollie


Re: firefox 50 and nvda 2016.3

Rosemarie Chavarria
 

Hi, Shaun,


I'm having a problem with firefox too. I'll try to type a web address and either firefox loses focus or NVDA is sluggish. Older versions of firefox didn't have this problem.


Rosemarie

On 11/15/2016 9:47 PM, Shaun Everiss wrote:
Hi.
Well Just found the latest 50x version of firefox on the system.
It works ok enough but I have noticed that there are some focus issues.
In the address bar, for example I type an address www.twitter.com/username.
When I delete one letter from the end of the address it maybe ok then nvda will start quoting the entire url out minus the deleted content.
If I left arrow I then get navigation toolbar address bar and search then the address so its losing focus, I can work round it by simple highlighting the particular section and killing it but ff likes to loose focus in some sites and forms and then if I push a key get it back again.
FF still works, but if this continues I am going to have to find out exactly how to turn off autoupdate and downgrade to 49.02 which still works.


Re: Reading .brf books

Christo Vorster
 

I must clarify this matter.

 

My previous reply was focussed on reading .brf files with a screen reader.

 

If one uses a braille display .brf files should be displayed as normal braille, i.e. grade 1 or grade 2 (gr 1 being uncontracted and gr2 contracted braille).

 

Regards

 

Christo Vorster (Worcester, South Africa)

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Wednesday, 16 November 2016 12:14 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Reading .brf books

 

I don't know what is different about grade 2 Braille files.  I thought they were text files because my recollection from using the Braille 'n Speak is that when typing with the translator on, they are just text files.  Evidently, there are some sort of differences I don't know about.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Dan Beaver

Sent: Tuesday, November 15, 2016 3:10 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Reading .brf books

 

They are not just text files if they are in grade 2 or some other contractional format.  They do not present well in notepad if this is the case.

 

Dan Beaver

 

On 11/15/2016 3:37 PM, Gene wrote:

I would think that if you change the extension to txt, they will open in Notepad and you should be able to read them untranslated.  Braille files are just text files.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Mallard

Sent: Tuesday, November 15, 2016 2:31 PM

Subject: [nvda] Reading .brf books

 

Hello all,

I have a number of .brf files, not from Bookshare, which I normally read
on a usb pendrive with my Touchme5 braille display.

I'f like to read them on the pc as well, but I have no idea whether
there are any programmes that would open those files, without converting
the mto txt with Wintrans, for example.

Does such software exist?
Thanks, ciao,
Ollie

 


Re: Reading .brf books

Christo Vorster
 

Hi Gene

 

I only got to see the comversation on reading .brf files. I actually doubt whether changing the file extension from .brf to .txt would help much. I haven’t yet tried it, but just for interest sake, below you will find the last message you sent in normal text, .txt or .docx, what ever you prefer and then the .brf equivalent, after I converted it to .brf using Duxbury 11.1

 

(print text)

I don't know what is different about grade 2 Braille files.  I thought they were text files because my recollection from using the Braille 'n Speak is that when typing with the translator on, they are just text files.  Evidently, there are some sort of differences I don't know about.

 

(braille text)

  ,i don't "k :at is di6]5t ab grade #b

,brl files4  ,i ?"\ !y 7 text files 2c

my recollec;n f us+ ! ,brl ';n ,sp1k is

t :5 typ+ ) ! translator on1 !y >e j

text files4  ,evid5tly1 "! >e "s sort (

di6];es ,i don't "k ab4

 

I know that, when using an Apex Reader, you cannot read .brf files in MS Word, it first must be converted into .txt format

 

Regards

 

Christo Vorster (Worcester, South Africa)

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Wednesday, 16 November 2016 12:14 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Reading .brf books

 

I don't know what is different about grade 2 Braille files.  I thought they were text files because my recollection from using the Braille 'n Speak is that when typing with the translator on, they are just text files.  Evidently, there are some sort of differences I don't know about.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Dan Beaver

Sent: Tuesday, November 15, 2016 3:10 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Reading .brf books

 

They are not just text files if they are in grade 2 or some other contractional format.  They do not present well in notepad if this is the case.

 

Dan Beaver

 

On 11/15/2016 3:37 PM, Gene wrote:

I would think that if you change the extension to txt, they will open in Notepad and you should be able to read them untranslated.  Braille files are just text files.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Mallard

Sent: Tuesday, November 15, 2016 2:31 PM

Subject: [nvda] Reading .brf books

 

Hello all,

I have a number of .brf files, not from Bookshare, which I normally read
on a usb pendrive with my Touchme5 braille display.

I'f like to read them on the pc as well, but I have no idea whether
there are any programmes that would open those files, without converting
the mto txt with Wintrans, for example.

Does such software exist?
Thanks, ciao,
Ollie

 


Focus issue when opening MS Word

Jacques <lists4js@...>
 

I think it was Pranav Lal who recently posted about a focus issue when opening MS Word. I also experience this occasionally. The window title reports "winword" and the NVDA hot key, NVDA+control+F1 confirms that "winword.exe" is the active application. I believe this issue will be looked into by the devs in due course, but in the interim I find that pressing and releasing the alt key in quick succession forces focus to the opened document.

HTH

--
Jacques


Re: Reading .brf books

Christo Vorster
 

Hi Dan

 

I regularly work with .brf files. One of my tasks here at the college where I work, is to translate .docx documents into braille. It is quite difficult to read .brf files in Duxbury, especially with NVDA. I used to have JAWS as my screen reader and the developers of Freedom Scientific built JAWS to be quite compatible with Duxbury in the sense that it read grade 2 braille as if it was normal print, I mean like in Word. NVDA, currently read “e d” as “dollar” or a word like “immediately” like “I m m l y”.

 

To be very honest, I don’t think that the move to UEBC braille was such a big thing, meaning that the braille system did not notably change, we actually lost a few contractions but we gained a lot by the new signs (bold, italics, underline, the difference between parenthesis and brackets, etc). I am involved in the training of vision impaired computer users and for us the acceptance of UEBC only has been a positive step.

 

The bottom line to me is that Braille before and after UEBC still is a fantastic invention and we all must applaud Louis Braille each and every day.

 

Have a nice day

 

Christo Vorster (Worcester, South Africa)

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Dan Beaver
Sent: Wednesday, 16 November 2016 12:49 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Reading .brf books

 

Well, grade 2 braille includes contractions like the dollar sign for the letters "ed" in what we used to call US braille at least.  I am  not familiar with braille from other countries and am not very familiar with UEB yet.  In a BRF file notepad displays the dollar sign as a dollar sign.  See what problems this kind of contraction can cause?

 

Dan Beaver

 

On 11/15/2016 5:13 PM, Gene wrote:

I don't know what is different about grade 2 Braille files.  I thought they were text files because my recollection from using the Braille 'n Speak is that when typing with the translator on, they are just text files.  Evidently, there are some sort of differences I don't know about.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Dan Beaver

Sent: Tuesday, November 15, 2016 3:10 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Reading .brf books

 

They are not just text files if they are in grade 2 or some other contractional format.  They do not present well in notepad if this is the case.

 

Dan Beaver

 

On 11/15/2016 3:37 PM, Gene wrote:

I would think that if you change the extension to txt, they will open in Notepad and you should be able to read them untranslated.  Braille files are just text files.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Mallard

Sent: Tuesday, November 15, 2016 2:31 PM

Subject: [nvda] Reading .brf books

 

Hello all,

I have a number of .brf files, not from Bookshare, which I normally read
on a usb pendrive with my Touchme5 braille display.

I'f like to read them on the pc as well, but I have no idea whether
there are any programmes that would open those files, without converting
the mto txt with Wintrans, for example.

Does such software exist?
Thanks, ciao,
Ollie

 

 


firefox 50 and nvda 2016.3

 

Hi.
Well Just found the latest 50x version of firefox on the system.
It works ok enough but I have noticed that there are some focus issues.
In the address bar, for example I type an address www.twitter.com/username.
When I delete one letter from the end of the address it maybe ok then nvda will start quoting the entire url out minus the deleted content.
If I left arrow I then get navigation toolbar address bar and search then the address so its losing focus, I can work round it by simple highlighting the particular section and killing it but ff likes to loose focus in some sites and forms and then if I push a key get it back again.
FF still works, but if this continues I am going to have to find out exactly how to turn off autoupdate and downgrade to 49.02 which still works.


Re: new messages still showing up at the bottom of my list

Rosemarie Chavarria
 

Hi, Gene,


I did change the setting to ascending and it now works properly.


Rosemarie




On 11/15/2016 6:18 PM, Gene wrote:
I'm not sure if my last message would benefit from clarification.  What I'm saying is that in a case like this, instead of considering more involved solutions, try the other setting first.  You don't know if the designer of the program means the same thing as would be expected and for the design team, descending and ascending may mean the opposite of what you and many others might expect.  So try the simple solutions in these sorts of cases andd then consider more involved ones.  Even if doing something like changing a setting seems not to make sense, as it may not in this case, you might as well try it.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Gene
Sent: Tuesday, November 15, 2016 7:59 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] new messages still showing up at the bottom of my list

If one setting doesn't work, try the other.  If that doesn't help, then if you want, you can spend more time fooling around.  But experimentation in cases where it can't do harm is part of being a confident computer user.  Things don't always work as expected for some reason.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, November 15, 2016 6:49 PM
Subject: [nvda] new messages still showing up at the bottom of my list

Hi, everyone,


I have decending order checked in thunderbird but the newer messages are
still going to the bottom instead of on top. I don't know what to do
about this. Would a clean install help?


Rosemarie







Re: new messages still showing up at the bottom of my list

Gene
 

I'm not sure if my last message would benefit from clarification.  What I'm saying is that in a case like this, instead of considering more involved solutions, try the other setting first.  You don't know if the designer of the program means the same thing as would be expected and for the design team, descending and ascending may mean the opposite of what you and many others might expect.  So try the simple solutions in these sorts of cases andd then consider more involved ones.  Even if doing something like changing a setting seems not to make sense, as it may not in this case, you might as well try it.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
From: Gene
Sent: Tuesday, November 15, 2016 7:59 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] new messages still showing up at the bottom of my list

If one setting doesn't work, try the other.  If that doesn't help, then if you want, you can spend more time fooling around.  But experimentation in cases where it can't do harm is part of being a confident computer user.  Things don't always work as expected for some reason.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, November 15, 2016 6:49 PM
Subject: [nvda] new messages still showing up at the bottom of my list

Hi, everyone,


I have decending order checked in thunderbird but the newer messages are
still going to the bottom instead of on top. I don't know what to do
about this. Would a clean install help?


Rosemarie






Re: new messages still showing up at the bottom of my list

Gene
 

If one setting doesn't work, try the other.  If that doesn't help, then if you want, you can spend more time fooling around.  But experimentation in cases where it can't do harm is part of being a confident computer user.  Things don't always work as expected for some reason.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, November 15, 2016 6:49 PM
Subject: [nvda] new messages still showing up at the bottom of my list

Hi, everyone,


I have decending order checked in thunderbird but the newer messages are
still going to the bottom instead of on top. I don't know what to do
about this. Would a clean install help?


Rosemarie






IE11: braille display 19 spaces before content

蔡宗豪 Victor Cai
 

Hi,
This case is occured on GitHub when user uses browser IE11 with braille display.
Steps to reproduce:

  • Open IE11 and link to Commits · nvaccess/nvda
  • Press “g” to move to the first commit. (At the stage, this would be “Commits on Nov 15, 2016”)
  • Press k four times to move to the link “fab1873”.
  • Press NVDA+f to report formatting info
    19 space
    Consolas, “Liberation Mono”, Menlo, Courier, monospace
    12px
    baseline
    align right

notes:
In Issue page, braille also display content after (5, 7, 9) spaces.


Victor Cai


Not able to read any of the HTML content in iTunes with master

Lino Morales
 

Hello. I'm not able to read the HTML content either in Apple Music or the iTunes store using the arrow keys with NVDA master branch version which came out today. Is their a way to report this to the boys at NV Access? Thanks.


Re: strange thing happening in thunderbird

Albert Ruel
 

That really does help. I looked all over the app and didn't find it. Hum, that's a mystery.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Rosemarie Chavarria
Sent: Tuesday, November 15, 2016 5:09 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] strange thing happening in thunderbird

Hi, Albert.


1. Go to the view menu with alt V.

2. Arrow down to "sort by" and hit enter on it.

3. Arrow down to "ascending". If it says "unchecked", press enter to check it.


Hope this helps.


Rosemarie



On 11/15/2016 5:05 PM, Albert Ruel wrote:
Hey there, where does one find the setting you spoke of? I can't seem to locate anything that will allow me to change it from descending to ascending.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Rosemarie Chavarria
Sent: Tuesday, November 15, 2016 4:54 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] strange thing happening in thunderbird

I now have it set to ascending and it seems to be working. Thanks for the suggestion.


Rosemarie




On 11/15/2016 1:15 PM, The Gamages wrote:
Hello rosemary,

Try setting it to ascending.



Best Regards, Jim.
-----Original Message-----
From: Rosemarie Chavarria
Sent: Tuesday, November 15, 2016 5:52 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] strange thing happening in thunderbird

Hi, everyone,


I decided to stay with thunderbird instead of going to seamonkey. I
discovered something weird. I have the decending checked but the new
messages are going to the bottom instead of coming to the top. What
could be going wrong?


Thanks for your help in advance.


Rosemarie














Re: strange thing happening in thunderbird

Rosemarie Chavarria
 

Hi, Albert.


1. Go to the view menu with alt V.

2. Arrow down to "sort by" and hit enter on it.

3. Arrow down to "ascending". If it says "unchecked", press enter to check it.


Hope this helps.


Rosemarie

On 11/15/2016 5:05 PM, Albert Ruel wrote:
Hey there, where does one find the setting you spoke of? I can't seem to locate anything that will allow me to change it from descending to ascending.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Rosemarie Chavarria
Sent: Tuesday, November 15, 2016 4:54 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] strange thing happening in thunderbird

I now have it set to ascending and it seems to be working. Thanks for the suggestion.


Rosemarie




On 11/15/2016 1:15 PM, The Gamages wrote:
Hello rosemary,

Try setting it to ascending.



Best Regards, Jim.
-----Original Message-----
From: Rosemarie Chavarria
Sent: Tuesday, November 15, 2016 5:52 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] strange thing happening in thunderbird

Hi, everyone,


I decided to stay with thunderbird instead of going to seamonkey. I
discovered something weird. I have the decending checked but the new
messages are going to the bottom instead of coming to the top. What
could be going wrong?


Thanks for your help in advance.


Rosemarie












Re: strange thing happening in thunderbird

Albert Ruel
 

Hey there, where does one find the setting you spoke of? I can't seem to locate anything that will allow me to change it from descending to ascending.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Rosemarie Chavarria
Sent: Tuesday, November 15, 2016 4:54 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] strange thing happening in thunderbird

I now have it set to ascending and it seems to be working. Thanks for the suggestion.


Rosemarie




On 11/15/2016 1:15 PM, The Gamages wrote:
Hello rosemary,

Try setting it to ascending.



Best Regards, Jim.
-----Original Message-----
From: Rosemarie Chavarria
Sent: Tuesday, November 15, 2016 5:52 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] strange thing happening in thunderbird

Hi, everyone,


I decided to stay with thunderbird instead of going to seamonkey. I
discovered something weird. I have the decending checked but the new
messages are going to the bottom instead of coming to the top. What
could be going wrong?


Thanks for your help in advance.


Rosemarie