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Re: Need to advise a sitghted person

Quentin Christensen
 

NVDA does give finer control with the keyboard over moving around and selecting text.  The standard way a sighted mouse user would select text in firefox however, would be to move the mouse pointer to the start of the text to be selected, click the left mouse button and hold it down, then drag the mouse to the end of the text to be selected.  At that point you can either press control+c to copy the text, or right click and choose "copy".

One difference for a sighted person if they are using a computer with NVDA running, is that control+c will only copy the text, NVDA doesn't copy images.  In that case (and assuming they want images) then right clicking and choosing copy will still copy the images.

Regards

Quentin.

On Fri, Nov 18, 2016 at 7:47 PM, Brian's Mail list account <bglists@...> wrote:
This is an odd one, but maybe somebody here can assist.
Basically, I needed to get some articles out of a web site so I merely highlighted the lines in firefox, and cut and pasted them into word.
Now I'm guessing that I'm using the virtual buffer of nvda to do this, as my sighted  friends want to do this but say with a mouse no nvda etc and firefox it simply does not work.
So, is this true. Do we actually have an ability the sighted do not have here?
If so, then if I get them to install nvda, turn of the voice presumably they should now be able to do as I do, but will that work with the mouse or will they have to use the keyboard and possibly need the add on which shows the cursor up on screen in order to do it?
 Brian

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Re: Need to advise a sitghted person

Gene
 

If all they want to do is copy and paste text without worrying about formatting such as tables, it is not necessary to use NVDA.  and my guess is that doing so might raise a lot of problems for sighted users.  Sighted people may not see an accurate reflection of where they are on the page, according to a thread yesterday. 
 
But without using a screen-reader, they can select an entire page and copy it to the clipboard.  I've done it with no screen-reader running using control a and control c. 
 
If they want to preserve formatting, perhaps they can paste what has been copied into a word processor.  If not, they can paste it into notepad.  They can then copy and paste as they usually do. 
 
I don't know what can be done on a web page with the mouse in terms of selecting.  My suggestion is intended to give them another option if they need it. 
 
There are so many discussion forums on the Internet, why don't the people in question discuss this matter on a site with forums like Bleeping Computer.  Sighted students copy and paste all the time when writing papers.  I find it very difficult to believe that what you are discussing can't be done in some way on the web page itself..
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, November 18, 2016 2:47 AM
Subject: [nvda] Need to advise a sitghted person

This is an odd one, but maybe somebody here can assist.
 Basically, I needed to get some articles out of a web site so I merely
highlighted the lines in firefox, and cut and pasted them into word.
 Now I'm guessing that I'm using the virtual buffer of nvda to do this, as
my sighted  friends want to do this but say with a mouse no nvda etc and
firefox it simply does not work.
 So, is this true. Do we actually have an ability the sighted do not have
here?
 If so, then if I get them to install nvda, turn of the voice presumably
they should now be able to do as I do, but will that work with the mouse or
will they have to use the keyboard and possibly need the add on which shows
the cursor up on screen in order to do it?
  Brian

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Need to advise a sitghted person

Brian's Mail list account <bglists@...>
 

This is an odd one, but maybe somebody here can assist.
Basically, I needed to get some articles out of a web site so I merely highlighted the lines in firefox, and cut and pasted them into word.
Now I'm guessing that I'm using the virtual buffer of nvda to do this, as my sighted friends want to do this but say with a mouse no nvda etc and firefox it simply does not work.
So, is this true. Do we actually have an ability the sighted do not have here?
If so, then if I get them to install nvda, turn of the voice presumably they should now be able to do as I do, but will that work with the mouse or will they have to use the keyboard and possibly need the add on which shows the cursor up on screen in order to do it?
Brian

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Re: Goldwave's NVDA AddOn and Alt+numbers to move between opened files?

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I don't have a problem with the way its done now myself. I am normally looking for a file name and do not use numbers so I'd see no sense in using numbers to select each file in the program.

Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Joseph Lee" <joseph.lee22590@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, November 17, 2016 11:06 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Goldwave's NVDA AddOn and Alt+numbers to move between opened files?


Hi,
I prefer to implement this if and only if GoldWave itself supports this.
Cheers,
Joseph

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Corripio
Sent: Thursday, November 17, 2016 1:34 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Goldwave's NVDA AddOn and Alt+numbers to move between opened
files?

Joseph and listers, especially those of you guys involved in the
Goldwave's AddOn; what came of the suggestion of Alt+numbers to cycle
quickly between currently-opened files? I've got GoldWave 5.7, and wonder if
this were to be implemented, would this be available in my version of
GoldWave? The AddON I'm running with NVDA is version GoldWave; Estado:
ejecutando; Versión: 3.4; Autor: Joseph Lee <joseph.lee22590@gmail.com>,
David Parduhn <xkill85@gmx.net>, Mesar Hameed <mhameed@src.gnome.org> 10 de
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Re: The New Firefox version

Brian's Mail list account <bglists@...>
 

If you make your current one into a temp copy and then install the latest master, you can test it now. If you do not like it, just reinstall the old one from the temp copy. it will probably warn you that its not a good idea to downdate, but thus far I've seen no issues in the 2016 series in fact.
I'd not suggest you judge the new version from a temp copy cos if you are using windows 8 or 10 the portable copies are far less usable for whatever reason. Many programs no longer work or in part they don't Jamie says its the use of the newer accessibility apis which need to be used with admin privs to be of any use.
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Laurie Mehta via Groups.Io" <lauriemehta=yahoo.com@groups.io>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, November 18, 2016 3:40 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] The New Firefox version


Hi,
My Firefox just updated to version 50 and I am not having any of the problematic issues that others have reported.
--However,
I am still using NVDA v16.1-- have not upgraded yet to the newer versions of NVDA.
After reading one list member's comments saying that NVDA v16.4 will likely work fine with the latest Firefox, I plan to wait for this one to come out before upgrading this year.

Thanks everyone, for what you've shared.
LM

--------------------------------------------
On Thu, 11/17/16, Mallard <mallard@kimabe.eu> wrote:

Subject: Re: [nvda] The New Firefox version
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Date: Thursday, November 17, 2016, 12:36 PM

Firefox is indeed getting worse and
worse. I'm looking into abandoning
it altogether, and would already have done so, if it weren't
for
Webvisum, which I need fairly frequently.

Rumola never worked for me, so I'm stuck for now... Until
further
developments.

Ciao,

Ollie





Il 17/11/2016 18:18, Brian's Mail list account ha scritto:
Apart from a few issues version 48 will work on all
windows from xp up.
Sadly things started to go bad on 49 amd seemingly
continue to get
worse after that.
Brian

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----- Original Message ----- From: "Arlene" <nedster66@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, November 16, 2016 5:41 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] The New Firefox version


I can't say I don't blame you.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io
[mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io]
On Behalf Of
Shaun
Everiss
Sent: November-16-16 9:29 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] The New Firefox version

It seems to only happen if I edit the end of an
address bar.
Right now I have selected the end of the bar in the
case of twitter
names
and then hit delete and that works well enough.
However if you screw a site up you have to kill
what you spelt and
hmm well
hit an arrow to get focus.
On the subject of sluggishness I used classic theme
restorer to hide the
toolbars for navigation and remove all colours on
toolbars, this
seemed to
speed things up a little bit.
I also have changed a lot of the newer modern
windows to older
windows as
well as a few extra dom related things with that
program.
Firefox is as fast as it ever was, but its a
disturbing trend that stuff
like this is happening, I am still using it but to
be honest if
security was
not a major issue I'd drop back a version and
either never update or
drop
back to 3x which works however I like to stay as
updated as i can for
security reasons.



On 16/11/2016 11:04 p.m., Gene wrote:
I didn't save earlier messages about Firefox so
I'm answering in a new
thread. I just downloaded and tried the new
version and this problem
appears to be very easily worked around. If
you delete a letter or more
than one in the address bar, simply right arrow
once then start
moving left
again and, at least in my tests, things are read
properly. While this
problem should be corrected, this appears to
resolve the problem.

Gene








Re: Turning off input help if you activate numlock inbetween

Jacob Kruger
 

Depending on keyboard layout, you can, obviously, use the other insert key + number row 1 to turn off input help, but, that would depend on the option to also use extended insert as an NVDA modifier - option under keyboard preferences.


Like said, didn't think it was a bug, but, it baffled me for roundabout 2 seconds...<smile>


Stay well


Jacob Kruger
Blind Biker
Skype: BlindZA
"Resistance is futile, but, acceptance is versatile..."
On 2016-11-18 6:53 AM, Quentin Christensen wrote:

Hi Jacob,

You are right, I'm going to call this a "feature".  We were aware of this behaviour.  From memory, I think it is one of those things that looks simple to fix, but would actually be very complex.

The main risk is that if you turn numlock on and use the numpad insert as the NVDA modifier, then you won't be able to exit input help until you turn numlock off again.


Regards

Quentin.

On Fri, Nov 18, 2016 at 3:36 PM, Jacob Kruger <jacob@...> wrote:
Not a bug report or anything, but, just a warning since it seems slightly odd, and, took me roundabout 2 seconds to realise what had happened...<smile>


Was double-checking layout of numpad keys for something else, so turned on NVDA's input help using NVDA key + number row 1.


Anyway, ran through all the numpad keys, including hitting just the numlock key, and, it did still turn on numlock, which meant that suddenly all the numpad keys were reporting their number characters, along with stating that numlock was being included - numlock numpad 5, for example.


Anyway, all this meant was that to then turn off input help, I first had to press numlock key by itself again, before then using the original keystroke of NVDA + number row 1, since otherwise it just reported numlock numpad 0, followed by 1 to me, but, kept input help turned on.


And, if relevant, this is on my windows 10, anniversary upgrade, 64 bit machine, and, running NVDA 2016.3, with full desktop keyboard layout.


Stay well


Jacob Kruger
Blind Biker
Skype: BlindZA
"Resistance is futile, but, acceptance is versatile..."







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Training Material Developer
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Re: Turning off input help if you activate numlock inbetween

Quentin Christensen
 

Hi Jacob,

You are right, I'm going to call this a "feature".  We were aware of this behaviour.  From memory, I think it is one of those things that looks simple to fix, but would actually be very complex.

The main risk is that if you turn numlock on and use the numpad insert as the NVDA modifier, then you won't be able to exit input help until you turn numlock off again.


Regards

Quentin.

On Fri, Nov 18, 2016 at 3:36 PM, Jacob Kruger <jacob@...> wrote:
Not a bug report or anything, but, just a warning since it seems slightly odd, and, took me roundabout 2 seconds to realise what had happened...<smile>


Was double-checking layout of numpad keys for something else, so turned on NVDA's input help using NVDA key + number row 1.


Anyway, ran through all the numpad keys, including hitting just the numlock key, and, it did still turn on numlock, which meant that suddenly all the numpad keys were reporting their number characters, along with stating that numlock was being included - numlock numpad 5, for example.


Anyway, all this meant was that to then turn off input help, I first had to press numlock key by itself again, before then using the original keystroke of NVDA + number row 1, since otherwise it just reported numlock numpad 0, followed by 1 to me, but, kept input help turned on.


And, if relevant, this is on my windows 10, anniversary upgrade, 64 bit machine, and, running NVDA 2016.3, with full desktop keyboard layout.


Stay well


Jacob Kruger
Blind Biker
Skype: BlindZA
"Resistance is futile, but, acceptance is versatile..."







--
Quentin Christensen
Training Material Developer
Basic Training for NVDA & Microsoft Word with NVDA E-Books now available: http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/

Direct: +61 413 904 383
www.nvaccess.org 
Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess 
Twitter: @NVAccess 


Turning off input help if you activate numlock inbetween

Jacob Kruger
 

Not a bug report or anything, but, just a warning since it seems slightly odd, and, took me roundabout 2 seconds to realise what had happened...<smile>


Was double-checking layout of numpad keys for something else, so turned on NVDA's input help using NVDA key + number row 1.


Anyway, ran through all the numpad keys, including hitting just the numlock key, and, it did still turn on numlock, which meant that suddenly all the numpad keys were reporting their number characters, along with stating that numlock was being included - numlock numpad 5, for example.


Anyway, all this meant was that to then turn off input help, I first had to press numlock key by itself again, before then using the original keystroke of NVDA + number row 1, since otherwise it just reported numlock numpad 0, followed by 1 to me, but, kept input help turned on.


And, if relevant, this is on my windows 10, anniversary upgrade, 64 bit machine, and, running NVDA 2016.3, with full desktop keyboard layout.


Stay well


Jacob Kruger
Blind Biker
Skype: BlindZA
"Resistance is futile, but, acceptance is versatile..."


Re: Firefox and potential timing issues

Travis Siegel <tsiegel@...>
 

I have this happen in Chrome as well, though it's not very often, so it's not really a major problem, but just so you know, it's not just firefox.



On 11/17/2016 10:46 AM, Felix G. wrote:
Hello list,
has anyone else noticed that when quickly arrowing in a web page in Firefox, or quickly hitting the same navigational key, such as k, a few times, some elements are spoken twice? It is as if something couldn't keep up. Also, hitting a navigational or arrow key a few times then stopping, the cursor sometimes jumps back.
Here is an example. Let's say there are numbered lines on a web page, like so:
Line 1
Line 2
Line 3
etc.
Now, when quickly hitting down arrow repeatedly, I might get:
Line 2
Line 3
Line 4
Line 3
Line 4
Line 5
Line 4
Line 5
Sometimes this or a similar issue affects even the read all function, so that it double-speaks some words or parts of words, like so:
Mary had a little lamb, its fur was white as snow, had a little lamb and everywhere that Mary went, the went, the lamb was sure to go.
Are there any known workarounds or at least similar observations with possible theories as to what might be going on?
Kind regards,
Felix Grützmacher




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Re: The New Firefox version

Laurie Mehta
 

Hi,
My Firefox just updated to version 50 and I am not having any of the problematic issues that others have reported.
--However,
I am still using NVDA v16.1-- have not upgraded yet to the newer versions of NVDA.
After reading one list member's comments saying that NVDA v16.4 will likely work fine with the latest Firefox, I plan to wait for this one to come out before upgrading this year.

Thanks everyone, for what you've shared.
LM

--------------------------------------------

On Thu, 11/17/16, Mallard <mallard@kimabe.eu> wrote:

Subject: Re: [nvda] The New Firefox version
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Date: Thursday, November 17, 2016, 12:36 PM

Firefox is indeed getting worse and
worse. I'm looking into abandoning
it altogether, and would already have done so, if it weren't
for
Webvisum, which I need fairly frequently.

Rumola never worked for me, so I'm stuck for now... Until
further
developments.

Ciao,

Ollie





Il 17/11/2016 18:18, Brian's Mail list account ha scritto:
> Apart from a few issues version 48 will work on all
windows from xp up.
> Sadly things started to go bad on 49 amd seemingly
continue to get
> worse after that.
> Brian
>
> bglists@blueyonder.co.uk
> Sent via blueyonder.
> Please address personal email to:-
> briang1@blueyonder.co.uk,
putting 'Brian Gaff'
> in the display name field.
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Arlene" <nedster66@gmail.com>
> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
> Sent: Wednesday, November 16, 2016 5:41 PM
> Subject: Re: [nvda] The New Firefox version
>
>
>> I can't say I don't blame you.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io
[mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io]
On Behalf Of
>> Shaun
>> Everiss
>> Sent: November-16-16 9:29 AM
>> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
>> Subject: Re: [nvda] The New Firefox version
>>
>> It seems to only happen if I edit the end of an
address bar.
>> Right now I have selected the end of the bar in the
case of twitter
>> names
>> and then hit delete and that works well enough.
>> However if you screw a site up you have to kill
what you spelt and
>> hmm well
>> hit an arrow to get focus.
>> On the subject of sluggishness I used classic theme
restorer to hide the
>> toolbars for navigation and remove all colours on
toolbars, this
>> seemed to
>> speed things up a little bit.
>> I also have changed a lot of the newer modern
windows to older
>> windows as
>> well as a few extra dom related things with that
program.
>> Firefox is as fast as it ever was, but its a
disturbing trend that stuff
>> like this is happening, I am still using it but to
be honest if
>> security was
>> not a major issue I'd drop back a version and
either never update or
>> drop
>> back to 3x which works however I like to stay as
updated as i can for
>> security reasons.
>>
>>
>>
>> On 16/11/2016 11:04 p.m., Gene wrote:
>>> I didn't save earlier messages about Firefox so
I'm answering in a new
>> thread.  I just downloaded and tried the new
version and this problem
>> appears to be very easily worked around.  If
you delete a letter or more
>> than one in the address bar, simply right arrow
once then start
>> moving left
>> again and, at least in my tests, things are read
properly. While this
>> problem should be corrected, this appears to
resolve the problem.
>>>
>>> Gene
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
>


Re: Goldwave's NVDA AddOn and Alt+numbers to move between opened files?

 

Hi,
I prefer to implement this if and only if GoldWave itself supports this.
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gerardo
Corripio
Sent: Thursday, November 17, 2016 1:34 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Goldwave's NVDA AddOn and Alt+numbers to move between opened
files?

Joseph and listers, especially those of you guys involved in the
Goldwave's AddOn; what came of the suggestion of Alt+numbers to cycle
quickly between currently-opened files? I've got GoldWave 5.7, and wonder if
this were to be implemented, would this be available in my version of
GoldWave? The AddON I'm running with NVDA is version GoldWave; Estado:
ejecutando; Versión: 3.4; Autor: Joseph Lee <joseph.lee22590@gmail.com>,
David Parduhn <xkill85@gmx.net>, Mesar Hameed <mhameed@src.gnome.org> 10 de
25

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Re: Show Cursor

Kevin Cussick
 

I might get this as I have got a bit snippy when needing help. and My daughter has said something different than what I was hearing. I new about this but didn't even think about it thanks for the heads up.Brian,


I was thrilled when the add-on was announced. I kept having squabbles with my sighted husband and son, whenever I needed help and I said I was viewing something they couldn't see...

This add-on may not be perfect, as you say (there's always room for improvement!), but it did solve a lot of intricate situations when I needed help and could get it much quicker...

Ciao,

Ollie





I 17/11/2016 18:51, Brian Vogel ha scritto:


Mallard,

I am ashamed to say that this did not even enter my mind even
though I long ago installed this add-on on my own machine to assist me
in following where NVDA is focused.

I will also add that it is not perfect, but it's so darned
good that it could serve as an example of how this can be done.

For myself, I probably wouldn't even need the actual highlight
boxes if screen readers do what NVDA and this add-on do together, and
that's make what's showing on the screen actually reflect what's got
focus (or very near to it). Very often what's got focus can be pages
ahead of what's showing on the screen. I understand that what's
showing on the screen is utterly irrelevant to someone who's blind,
but I assume, particularly in work contexts, that there is a lot of
interaction between blind and sighted colleagues and this particular
behavior leaves both sides of a "hey, take a look at this" situation
in a suboptimal position.

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Goldwave's NVDA AddOn and Alt+numbers to move between opened files?

Gerardo Corripio
 

Joseph and listers, especially those of you guys involved in the Goldwave's AddOn; what came of the suggestion of Alt+numbers to cycle quickly between currently-opened files? I've got GoldWave 5.7, and wonder if this were to be implemented, would this be available in my version of GoldWave? The AddON I'm running with NVDA is version GoldWave; Estado: ejecutando; Versión: 3.4; Autor: Joseph Lee <joseph.lee22590@gmail.com>, David Parduhn <xkill85@gmx.net>, Mesar Hameed <mhameed@src.gnome.org> 10 de 25

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Re: Saving in MS Word 2016?

slery <slerythema@...>
 

Just had to tell you how freaking awesome this information is. My one regret about windows 10 is how many steps it takes to accomplish things.

 

Cindy

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brandon Keith Biggs
Sent: Tuesday, November 15, 2016 11:43 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Saving in MS Word 2016?

 

Hello,

Thank you! You helped me figure this out!

Press alt+f, then t. Then press ctrl+tab 3 times till you get to save. Then tab until you hear "Don't show the backstage when opening or saving files". Check this box and hit OK.

Then ctrl+S will act like normal.

Thanks,

 


 

On Tue, Nov 15, 2016 at 3:43 AM, Christo Vorster <christo.vorster@...> wrote:

Hello Everybody

 

I’m using Office 2016 and Windows 10 on my Del laptop and have no problems with the save as dialog. Agreed, when I open Word I must press ALT+TAB once before NVDA start talking in Word, but for the rest, I have no problems.

 

Cheers

 

Christo Vorster (Worcester, South Africa)

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brandon Keith Biggs
Sent: Tuesday, 15 November 2016 12:10 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Saving in MS Word 2016?

 

Hello,

Thanks, it's F12.

Two problems with this F12 though:

1. it takes around 10 seconds before the dialogue comes up

2. The dialogue is not announced by NVDA

Thanks,

 


 

On Mon, Nov 14, 2016 at 3:47 PM, Pranav Lal <pranav.lal@...> wrote:

Press f11 I think.

 

Pranav

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brandon Keith Biggs
Sent: Tuesday, November 15, 2016 3:23 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Saving in MS Word 2016?

 

Hello,

How does one easily save in MS Word 2016 with the keyboard?

If one presses ctrl+s in word 2016, the file menu opens up and the cursor is placed on the save as button. In order to get the brows icon, one needs to press the right arrow and down arrow several times.

Is there an easier way to get this brows dialogue?

Thanks,

 

 


object customizer

Josh Kennedy <joshknnd1982@...>
 

hello

I would also like to see an addon that lets you use a simple dialog box to rename objects both globally and on an app by app basis, and also a dialog that lets you reclass objects or assign classes to unknown objects. the addon could also use tooltips to help you relabel and or reclass objects based on what the tooltip says. it could put the tooltip text in an edit box and then let you take it from there. Both jaws and window eyes have this built in. I would like to see it in NVDA also. There are some apps I use that show things I know are checkboxes just hsow as unknown object or as a window that I would like to both reclass and rename quickly without doing python programming which I never was good at programming at all. the addon could also let you mute certain objects on global or app basis so their content is not read.


thanks

Josh


Braille Pen touch braille display

ann
 

Hi,


Does the Braille Pen touch display work with NVDA? If not directly, is there a work around to get it to work?


Thanks,

~Ann


Re: Show Cursor

Mallard <mallard@...>
 

Brian,


I was thrilled when the add-on was announced. I kept having squabbles with my sighted husband and son, whenever I needed help and I saidd I was viewing something they couldn't see...

This add-on may not be perfect, as you say (there's always room for improvement!), but it did solve a lot of intricate situations when I needed help and could get it much quicker...

Ciao,

Ollie

Il 17/11/2016 18:51, Brian Vogel ha scritto:

Mallard,

I am ashamed to say that this did not even enter my mind even though I long ago installed this add-on on my own machine to assist me in following where NVDA is focused.

I will also add that it is not perfect, but it's so darned good that it could serve as an example of how this can be done.

For myself, I probably wouldn't even need the actual highlight boxes if screen readers do what NVDA and this add-on do together, and that's make what's showing on the screen actually reflect what's got focus (or very near to it). Very often what's got focus can be pages ahead of what's showing on the screen. I understand that what's showing on the screen is utterly irrelevant to someone who's blind, but I assume, particularly in work contexts, that there is a lot of interaction between blind and sighted colleagues and this particular behavior leaves both sides of a "hey, take a look at this" situation in a suboptimal position.

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*/Brian/*

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//~ Lauren Bacall



Re: Show Cursor

 

Mallard,

        I am ashamed to say that this did not even enter my mind even though I long ago installed this add-on on my own machine to assist me in following where NVDA is focused.

        I will also add that it is not perfect, but it's so darned good that it could serve as an example of how this can be done.

        For myself, I probably wouldn't even need the actual highlight boxes if screen readers do what NVDA and this add-on do together, and that's make what's showing on the screen actually reflect what's got focus (or very near to it).  Very often what's got focus can be pages ahead of what's showing on the screen.  I understand that what's showing on the screen is utterly irrelevant to someone who's blind, but I assume, particularly in work contexts, that there is a lot of interaction between blind and sighted colleagues and this particular behavior leaves both sides of a "hey, take a look at this" situation in a suboptimal position.

--
Brian

Here is a test to find out whether your mission in life is complete.  If you’re alive, it isn’t.

    ~ Lauren Bacall

    



Re: Show Cursor

Mallard <mallard@...>
 

So does NVDA, but you need a specific add-on, called Focus Highlight.

You can download it from the NVDA add-on page.

hth, ciao,

Ollie

Il 17/11/2016 17:57, Domingos de Oliveira via Groups.io ha scritto:
Hi,
NVDA is not able to show the position of the Cursor visually.
Screenreaders that can do that are VoiceOver on iOS and Narrator for
Windows 8 and higher. They put a rectangle around the focussed
element.
HTH Domingos

2016-11-17 16:28 GMT+01:00, Brian Vogel <britechguy@gmail.com>:
Not that I can help Ralph, but I will echo the situation he reports. As a
sighted JAWS tutor who, for obvious reasons, does still rely on sight as
part of my sensory input when doing anything in day-to-day life, one of the
things that has driven me crazy is that no effort is made to have what's
shown on the display itself follow the virtual cursor when long documents,
whether web pages or other, are being read.

There are tons of times in daily life when someone wants to call someone
else over to "have a look" at something but when you're dealing with a
screen reader very often what you as "a sightee" are actually looking at has
absolutely no relation to what a screen reader user is hearing and trying to
find it is no easy task. It also often involves completely screwing up the
place where the screen reader had been as well.

One improvement that any screen reader could have is linking scrolling on
the display to match the travel of the virtual cursor.
--
*Brian*

*Here is a test to find out whether your mission in life is complete. If
you’re alive, it isn’t.*

~ Lauren Bacall


Re: The New Firefox version

Mallard <mallard@...>
 

Firefox is indeed getting worse and worse. I'm looking into abandoning it altogether, and would already have done so, if it weren't for Webvisum, which I need fairly frequently.

Rumola never worked for me, so I'm stuck for now... Until further developments.

Ciao,

Ollie

Il 17/11/2016 18:18, Brian's Mail list account ha scritto:
Apart from a few issues version 48 will work on all windows from xp up.
Sadly things started to go bad on 49 amd seemingly continue to get worse after that.
Brian

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----- Original Message ----- From: "Arlene" <nedster66@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, November 16, 2016 5:41 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] The New Firefox version


I can't say I don't blame you.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Shaun
Everiss
Sent: November-16-16 9:29 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] The New Firefox version

It seems to only happen if I edit the end of an address bar.
Right now I have selected the end of the bar in the case of twitter names
and then hit delete and that works well enough.
However if you screw a site up you have to kill what you spelt and hmm well
hit an arrow to get focus.
On the subject of sluggishness I used classic theme restorer to hide the
toolbars for navigation and remove all colours on toolbars, this seemed to
speed things up a little bit.
I also have changed a lot of the newer modern windows to older windows as
well as a few extra dom related things with that program.
Firefox is as fast as it ever was, but its a disturbing trend that stuff
like this is happening, I am still using it but to be honest if security was
not a major issue I'd drop back a version and either never update or drop
back to 3x which works however I like to stay as updated as i can for
security reasons.



On 16/11/2016 11:04 p.m., Gene wrote:
I didn't save earlier messages about Firefox so I'm answering in a new
thread. I just downloaded and tried the new version and this problem
appears to be very easily worked around. If you delete a letter or more
than one in the address bar, simply right arrow once then start moving left
again and, at least in my tests, things are read properly. While this
problem should be corrected, this appears to resolve the problem.

Gene