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Re: Anti Virus

Roger Stewart
 

Someone mentioned that the checking for virus database updates in Defender could be set with Task Scheduler. I tried looking around in it and I find a long list of tasks that it can schedule but I didn't find anything in there about Defender or Windows Defender.  There were several listings for things I couldn't identify at all as they just had very cryptic names with a bunch of numbers and letters.  Maybe one of these is it, but I couldn't identify Defender at all. Can someone tell me how to find and set a schedule for it?  I've never used that scheduler before.

Thanks.

Roger












On 11/19/2016 11:44 AM, Brian Vogel wrote:

I have seen virtually any antivirus or security suite you can name either praised to the high heavens or called almost completely useless.  It really depends on who's doing the reviewing and the metrics they're using.

As has been said here, and elsewhere, antivirus programs are not and should not be considered your first line of defense against infection.  Your own browsing habits play a far, far greater role in that.  Good browsing hygiene will keep you quite safe, if not 100% so.

If you have not been infected nor had whatever antivirus or security program you've been using report anything being quarantined in a very long time you can be reasonably certain that your browsing habits are OK.  If you're constantly infected or have things quarantined without actually having been infected it would be very wise to start looking at precisely when, how, and why this is happening.  Most infections are the direct result of user action, not some backdoor entry.

Windows Defender has proven more than adequate for more users on more machines than I can count at this point in my career.   Nothing is perfect, some competitors may be better, but Windows Defender is not even close to "junk".

This thread entitled, Windows Defender as an integral part of Windows 10, which just started yesterday on bleepingcomputer.com's Windows 10 Support Forum, is worth reading [disclaimer: I've got two posts in that thread so far, but that's not why I think it's worth looking at].
--
Brian

Here is a test to find out whether your mission in life is complete.  If you’re alive, it isn’t.

    ~ Lauren Bacall

    




Re: Anti Virus

Arlene
 

Oh good. Those things are a parasite.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Rosemarie Chavarria
Sent: November-19-16 10:42 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Anti Virus

 

Hi, Gene,

 

I asked my neighbor for proof of her computer being destroyed but she couldn't give me an answer. I had a trojan on my old computer but it didn't totally destroy it. I was able to get rid of the trojan.

 

Rosemarie

 

 

On 11/19/2016 10:37 AM, Gene wrote:

I don't know if any malware can physically damage a computer.  Most malware doesn't.  it may do all sorts of things you don't want it to do but physically destroying your computer is the least of the worries associated with malware.  I don't know anything about your neighbor's knowledge of computers but a high degree of skepticism should be maintained regarding what people tell you unless they have proven records of knowledge and reliability.  There is an enormous amount of misinformation constantly being circulated regarding computers and related matters.

 

Gene 

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2016 12:28 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Anti Virus

 

Hi, Arleen,

 

I try to be very careful about what sites I visit. My next-door neighbor told me that one time she had a virus and it totally destroyed her computer. I don't know how she got it but she had to end up getting a brand-new computer.

 

Rosemarie

 

 

 

On 11/19/2016 10:15 AM, Arlene wrote:

Also, if you visit sites. Even if you have IE or firefox or edge clean out the history. You may have to manually get rid of history.  Even though you have your virus scan up to date always clean your hystery.  I have my computer not remember passwords even though it asks.  If you are on sites you login always log out.  Sites like drop box or others.  Someone in the xp days told me to always log out and I always do it. 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: November-19-16 9:49 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Anti Virus

 

On Sat, Nov 19, 2016 at 08:00 am, Roger Stewart wrote:

Only caution I'd give is to do a manual check for updates several times a day as their virus database is updated several times a day but the program will only check itself once when you start the computer.

 I have not found this to be the case under Windows 10.  If you open Windows Defender you can see when the last virus definition update has taken place, and that's often very recent even when I've had my machine up and running for days.

This also wasn't the case, at least if I'm recalling correctly, under Windows 8.1 either.  It would make absolutely no sense for any modern antivirus program, and Windows Defender is one, to not auto-update its own definitions and, in fact, itself as new releases are released.
--
Brian

Here is a test to find out whether your mission in life is complete.  If you’re alive, it isn’t.

    ~ Lauren Bacall

    

 

 

 


Re: Anti Virus

Rosemarie Chavarria
 

Hi, Gene,


I asked my neighbor for proof of her computer being destroyed but she couldn't give me an answer. I had a trojan on my old computer but it didn't totally destroy it. I was able to get rid of the trojan.


Rosemarie



On 11/19/2016 10:37 AM, Gene wrote:
I don't know if any malware can physically damage a computer.  Most malware doesn't.  it may do all sorts of things you don't want it to do but physically destroying your computer is the least of the worries associated with malware.  I don't know anything about your neighbor's knowledge of computers but a high degree of skepticism should be maintained regarding what people tell you unless they have proven records of knowledge and reliability.  There is an enormous amount of misinformation constantly being circulated regarding computers and related matters.
 
Gene 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2016 12:28 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Anti Virus

Hi, Arleen,


I try to be very careful about what sites I visit. My next-door neighbor told me that one time she had a virus and it totally destroyed her computer. I don't know how she got it but she had to end up getting a brand-new computer.


Rosemarie




On 11/19/2016 10:15 AM, Arlene wrote:

Also, if you visit sites. Even if you have IE or firefox or edge clean out the history. You may have to manually get rid of history.  Even though you have your virus scan up to date always clean your hystery.  I have my computer not remember passwords even though it asks.  If you are on sites you login always log out.  Sites like drop box or others.  Someone in the xp days told me to always log out and I always do it. 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: November-19-16 9:49 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Anti Virus

 

On Sat, Nov 19, 2016 at 08:00 am, Roger Stewart wrote:

Only caution I'd give is to do a manual check for updates several times a day as their virus database is updated several times a day but the program will only check itself once when you start the computer.

 I have not found this to be the case under Windows 10.  If you open Windows Defender you can see when the last virus definition update has taken place, and that's often very recent even when I've had my machine up and running for days.

This also wasn't the case, at least if I'm recalling correctly, under Windows 8.1 either.  It would make absolutely no sense for any modern antivirus program, and Windows Defender is one, to not auto-update its own definitions and, in fact, itself as new releases are released.
--
Brian

Here is a test to find out whether your mission in life is complete.  If you’re alive, it isn’t.

    ~ Lauren Bacall

    

 




Re: Anti Virus

Gene
 

I don't know if any malware can physically damage a computer.  Most malware doesn't.  it may do all sorts of things you don't want it to do but physically destroying your computer is the least of the worries associated with malware.  I don't know anything about your neighbor's knowledge of computers but a high degree of skepticism should be maintained regarding what people tell you unless they have proven records of knowledge and reliability.  There is an enormous amount of misinformation constantly being circulated regarding computers and related matters.
 
Gene 

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2016 12:28 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Anti Virus

Hi, Arleen,


I try to be very careful about what sites I visit. My next-door neighbor told me that one time she had a virus and it totally destroyed her computer. I don't know how she got it but she had to end up getting a brand-new computer.


Rosemarie




On 11/19/2016 10:15 AM, Arlene wrote:

Also, if you visit sites. Even if you have IE or firefox or edge clean out the history. You may have to manually get rid of history.  Even though you have your virus scan up to date always clean your hystery.  I have my computer not remember passwords even though it asks.  If you are on sites you login always log out.  Sites like drop box or others.  Someone in the xp days told me to always log out and I always do it. 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: November-19-16 9:49 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Anti Virus

 

On Sat, Nov 19, 2016 at 08:00 am, Roger Stewart wrote:

Only caution I'd give is to do a manual check for updates several times a day as their virus database is updated several times a day but the program will only check itself once when you start the computer.

 I have not found this to be the case under Windows 10.  If you open Windows Defender you can see when the last virus definition update has taken place, and that's often very recent even when I've had my machine up and running for days.

This also wasn't the case, at least if I'm recalling correctly, under Windows 8.1 either.  It would make absolutely no sense for any modern antivirus program, and Windows Defender is one, to not auto-update its own definitions and, in fact, itself as new releases are released.
--
Brian

Here is a test to find out whether your mission in life is complete.  If you’re alive, it isn’t.

    ~ Lauren Bacall

    

 



Re: Anti Virus

 

On Sat, Nov 19, 2016 at 10:21 am, Gene wrote:
History is nothing more than a record of sites you have visited.

Yup.  And you're 100% correct about there being no need to clean it for security reasons.

There are all kinds of urban legends regarding security as well as information that was once correct, that has not been for years, that continues to be stated as gospel.  It's very hard to squelch, but it is worth trying.
--
Brian

Here is a test to find out whether your mission in life is complete.  If you’re alive, it isn’t.

    ~ Lauren Bacall

    



Re: Anti Virus

Rosemarie Chavarria
 

Hi, Arleen,


I try to be very careful about what sites I visit. My next-door neighbor told me that one time she had a virus and it totally destroyed her computer. I don't know how she got it but she had to end up getting a brand-new computer.


Rosemarie




On 11/19/2016 10:15 AM, Arlene wrote:

Also, if you visit sites. Even if you have IE or firefox or edge clean out the history. You may have to manually get rid of history.  Even though you have your virus scan up to date always clean your hystery.  I have my computer not remember passwords even though it asks.  If you are on sites you login always log out.  Sites like drop box or others.  Someone in the xp days told me to always log out and I always do it. 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: November-19-16 9:49 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Anti Virus

 

On Sat, Nov 19, 2016 at 08:00 am, Roger Stewart wrote:

Only caution I'd give is to do a manual check for updates several times a day as their virus database is updated several times a day but the program will only check itself once when you start the computer.

 I have not found this to be the case under Windows 10.  If you open Windows Defender you can see when the last virus definition update has taken place, and that's often very recent even when I've had my machine up and running for days.

This also wasn't the case, at least if I'm recalling correctly, under Windows 8.1 either.  It would make absolutely no sense for any modern antivirus program, and Windows Defender is one, to not auto-update its own definitions and, in fact, itself as new releases are released.
--
Brian

Here is a test to find out whether your mission in life is complete.  If you’re alive, it isn’t.

    ~ Lauren Bacall

    

 



Re: Anti Virus

 

Gene wrote:  "I'm very careful about not opening attachments.  but even so, there was one time in perhaps fifteen years or longer, that I wasn't really thinking much about what I was doing and opened an attachment that came from a message that looked as though it was from someone I knew."

You do realize that this proves precisely the point I was trying to make.

I have never minimized the importance of having an active antivirus or security suite running at all times.  I also encourage people to have antimalware and antispyware programs installed should they be unfortunate enough to need them and to run the occasional "just because" scans.

That being said, my point is that the precise antivirus you are using is all but irrelevant if you're someone such as yourself or you take the time to develop good browsing habits in general.  I've been on the web since it started and have never gotten an infection from any "legitimate," for lack of a better word, website and I'm like you with regard to attachments.   You are never going to be able to pick the "correct" antivirus to guarantee that the once in fifteen years situation is assured to be taken care of by that product, and it is insane to try to do so given the number of variables involved.

You must have an active antivirus or security suite running on any Windows machine that is interacting with the world at large whether by direct connection to the internet or occasional data transfers via jump drives and the like.  That's essential.    The one you pick is, very largely, a crap shoot in the grand scheme of what you might possibly encounter as an infection and pretending otherwise (which many want to do) is folly.   Developing good browsing habits will prevent virtually all infections, not absolutely all infections, and that's why you have security programs - as failsafes that you hope you never have to use.

--
Brian

Here is a test to find out whether your mission in life is complete.  If you’re alive, it isn’t.

    ~ Lauren Bacall

    



Re: Anti Virus

Gene
 

History is nothing more than a record of sites you have visited.  There is no reason to clean history unless you don't want people to know what sites you have visited.  Malware doesn't care what sites you have visited.  you can set the browser not to store pass words.  You can let cookies store them or use some sort of password manager to store them that encrypts them.  History may be useful if you visit a site and later want to eaasily go back to it when you haven't book marked it .  Also if you are worried about malware seeing your history, which is of no use to it, you should worry about your book marks as well.  Malware doesn't care about your book marks either.  If, of course, you don't want people to know where you have been, like if you are cheating on your wife and don't want her to find dating sites in your history, you would want not to keep your history.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
From: Arlene
Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2016 12:15 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Anti Virus

Also, if you visit sites. Even if you have IE or firefox or edge clean out the history. You may have to manually get rid of history.  Even though you have your virus scan up to date always clean your hystery.  I have my computer not remember passwords even though it asks.  If you are on sites you login always log out.  Sites like drop box or others.  Someone in the xp days told me to always log out and I always do it. 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: November-19-16 9:49 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Anti Virus

 

On Sat, Nov 19, 2016 at 08:00 am, Roger Stewart wrote:

Only caution I'd give is to do a manual check for updates several times a day as their virus database is updated several times a day but the program will only check itself once when you start the computer.

 I have not found this to be the case under Windows 10.  If you open Windows Defender you can see when the last virus definition update has taken place, and that's often very recent even when I've had my machine up and running for days.

This also wasn't the case, at least if I'm recalling correctly, under Windows 8.1 either.  It would make absolutely no sense for any modern antivirus program, and Windows Defender is one, to not auto-update its own definitions and, in fact, itself as new releases are released.
--
Brian

Here is a test to find out whether your mission in life is complete.  If you’re alive, it isn’t.

    ~ Lauren Bacall

    

 


Publishing EBooks with NVDA?

David Russell
 

Hello NVDA group,
Websites like www.daisy.org highly recommend author Dave Gunn's
"Accessible eBook Guidelines ....." (title snipped). Have you found
accessibility and or compatibility with major eBook publishing
programs used with a screen reader to be a real, major, challenge or
hurtle?

This question is more for those with no vision or very limited vision.

Alongside that, Dropbox may work well with IOS devices compared to
desktops or laptops, but what cloud portals work well with desktops
and laptops?

Thanks for your input.

--
David Russell
david.sonofhashem@gmail.com


Re: Anti Virus

Arlene
 

Also, if you visit sites. Even if you have IE or firefox or edge clean out the history. You may have to manually get rid of history.  Even though you have your virus scan up to date always clean your hystery.  I have my computer not remember passwords even though it asks.  If you are on sites you login always log out.  Sites like drop box or others.  Someone in the xp days told me to always log out and I always do it. 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: November-19-16 9:49 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Anti Virus

 

On Sat, Nov 19, 2016 at 08:00 am, Roger Stewart wrote:

Only caution I'd give is to do a manual check for updates several times a day as their virus database is updated several times a day but the program will only check itself once when you start the computer.

 I have not found this to be the case under Windows 10.  If you open Windows Defender you can see when the last virus definition update has taken place, and that's often very recent even when I've had my machine up and running for days.

This also wasn't the case, at least if I'm recalling correctly, under Windows 8.1 either.  It would make absolutely no sense for any modern antivirus program, and Windows Defender is one, to not auto-update its own definitions and, in fact, itself as new releases are released.
--
Brian

Here is a test to find out whether your mission in life is complete.  If you’re alive, it isn’t.

    ~ Lauren Bacall

    

 


Re: drop box dil

Arlene
 

Oh okay. Yes the del is at the end.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian's
Mail list account
Sent: November-19-16 3:51 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] drop box dil

Yes indeed. Dropbox links sometimes do come up with nothing on the end, but
I have no idea why this happens sometimes and not others. I can confirm the
dl 1 and zeio system of forcing it to run or download, but I think when its
not there the decision lies withhow you set up the browser to react.
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Gene" <gsasner@ripco.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2016 10:50 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] drop box dil


When you send the link, try adding ?dl=1 to the end of the link. Look at
the syntax character by character to make sure you see exactly what I wrote.

Note the question mark at the beginning. If the link already has ?dl=0
at the end, delete the 0 and place a 1 there. You only have to add the rest

if it isn't already there.

This has nothing to do withh Internet Explorer. It's a Drop Box matter.
Gene
----- Original Message -----


From: Arlene
Sent: Friday, November 18, 2016 11:17 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] drop box dil


Hi list. How do you fix drop box dell in IE 11. I can share public link When

I pretended to down load my link it will not let me download it. How do I
fix this problem?


Re: Anti Virus

Casey <cwollner@...>
 

hi are you using A screen reader with virpe?
If so what version of the internet security are you running?
Also to you like them to stick with them and how easy is it to change options in that program and when you get something that it says that maybe infected.
How easy is it to deal with that as well?
So would you recommend someone using the latest version of window-eyes to get this program and set it up and you will be fully protected.
Or do you think one should keep looking for A better product?


--
Casey


Re: drop box dil

Arlene
 

Oh okay. I needed to go to bed! Loll! What had happened the Audio file was supposed to be Jeopardy! But it ended up being Judge Judy. When I opened the link in my sent files. It would not download. I went to my drop box on the site and downloaded it. It worked I find out it was wrong! It was Judge Judy!  I thought my computer was going crazy! It’s the operator!  Loll!  Whoever put both Jeopardy and Judge Judy did not name it Judge Judy.  I did not think to check because if it’s Jeopardy. Then Jeopardy would play. This win 7 is getting old.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: November-19-16 4:14 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] drop box dil

 

If you can send real public links, they may not have anything at the end.  If you are sharing links, which can be used in the same way but are technically different, there will be dl=0 at the end.  As far as dl=1 is concerned, it's always a good idea, when sending a public link or a shared link, to make sure dl=1 is at the end.  If it isn't there, some people will have a file play if its an audio file.  I'm not sure if other files ever open instead of download.  But Drop box is set up to cause dl=1 to force a download of a file, no matter what kind of file it is and no matter what browser and settings in the browser or other programs are used.  I always make sure dl=1 is at the end of any file I send to anyone.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2016 5:51 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] drop box dil

 

Yes indeed. Dropbox links sometimes do come up with nothing on the end, but
I have no idea why this happens sometimes and not others. I can confirm the
dl 1 and zeio system of forcing it to run or download, but I think when its
not there the decision lies withhow you set up the browser to react.
 Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Gene" <gsasner@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2016 10:50 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] drop box dil


When you send the link, try adding ?dl=1 to the end of the link.  Look at
the syntax character by character to make sure you see exactly what I wrote.
Note the     question mark at the beginning.  If the link already has ?dl=0
at the end, delete the 0 and place a 1 there.  You only have to add the rest
if it isn't already there.

This has nothing to do withh Internet Explorer.  It's a Drop Box matter.
Gene
----- Original Message -----


From: Arlene
Sent: Friday, November 18, 2016 11:17 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] drop box dil


Hi list. How do you fix drop box dell in IE 11. I can share public link When
I pretended to down load my link it will not let me download it. How do I
fix this problem?




Re: Anti Virus

Gene
 

No matter how careful you are, you can still be infected, even by going to reputable sites if those sites are hacked or if the advertising on those sites is hacked.  Yes, people should follow good safety procedures.  but that does not minimize the need or usefulness of good antimalware programs. 
 
And no matter how careful you are, what about the moment of inattention.  I'm very careful about not opening attachments.  but even so, there was one time in perhaps fifteen years or longer, that I wasn't really thinking much about what I was doing and opened an attachment that came from a message that looked as though it was from someone I knew.  If I had been paying proper attention, I wouldn't have done so but the point is that unless you are sure that you will always be paying proper attention from now until you stop using computers, there is always a small or very small chance for error.  I've seen techs or techies minimize the importance of antimalware programs.  Frankly, I consider this to be the overconfidence of knowledge.  I believe that safety is the lesson of knowledge and experience.
 
Genee

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2016 11:52 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Anti Virus

I agree, the first point of security should be your head.
Next I'd use something like firefox with better privacy for flash
cookies, ublock for adds, and noscript for scripts.
That way if you click malware it may not run.
To be honest I have been tempted to get more passive protection that
gets stuff before it handles things.



On 20/11/2016 6:44 a.m., Brian Vogel wrote:
> I have seen virtually any antivirus or security suite you can name either praised to the high heavens or called almost completely useless.  It really depends on who's doing the reviewing and the metrics they're using.
>
> As has been said here, and elsewhere, antivirus programs are not and should not be considered your first line of defense against infection.  Your own browsing habits play a far, far greater role in that.  Good browsing hygiene will keep you quite safe, if not 100% so.
>
> If you have not been infected nor had whatever antivirus or security program you've been using report anything being quarantined in a very long time you can be reasonably certain that your browsing habits are OK.  If you're constantly infected or have things quarantined without actually having been infected it would be very wise to start looking at precisely when, how, and why this is happening.  Most infections are the direct result of user action, not some backdoor entry.
>
> Windows Defender has proven more than adequate for more users on more machines than I can count at this point in my career.   Nothing is perfect, some competitors may be better, but Windows Defender is not even close to "junk".
>
> This thread entitled, Windows Defender as an integral part of Windows 10 ( http://www.bleepingcomputer.com/forums/t/632487/windows-defender-as-integral-part-of-windows-10/ ) , which just started yesterday on bleepingcomputer.com's Windows 10 Support Forum, is worth reading [disclaimer: I've got two posts in that thread so far, but that's not why I think it's worth looking at].
> --
> *Brian*
>
> *Here is a test to find out whether your mission in life is complete.  If you’re alive, it isn’t.*
>
>    ~ Lauren Bacall
>



Re: Anti Virus

 

I agree, the first point of security should be your head.
Next I'd use something like firefox with better privacy for flash cookies, ublock for adds, and noscript for scripts.
That way if you click malware it may not run.
To be honest I have been tempted to get more passive protection that gets stuff before it handles things.

On 20/11/2016 6:44 a.m., Brian Vogel wrote:
I have seen virtually any antivirus or security suite you can name either praised to the high heavens or called almost completely useless. It really depends on who's doing the reviewing and the metrics they're using.

As has been said here, and elsewhere, antivirus programs are not and should not be considered your first line of defense against infection. Your own browsing habits play a far, far greater role in that. Good browsing hygiene will keep you quite safe, if not 100% so.

If you have not been infected nor had whatever antivirus or security program you've been using report anything being quarantined in a very long time you can be reasonably certain that your browsing habits are OK. If you're constantly infected or have things quarantined without actually having been infected it would be very wise to start looking at precisely when, how, and why this is happening. Most infections are the direct result of user action, not some backdoor entry.

Windows Defender has proven more than adequate for more users on more machines than I can count at this point in my career. Nothing is perfect, some competitors may be better, but Windows Defender is not even close to "junk".

This thread entitled, Windows Defender as an integral part of Windows 10 ( http://www.bleepingcomputer.com/forums/t/632487/windows-defender-as-integral-part-of-windows-10/ ) , which just started yesterday on bleepingcomputer.com's Windows 10 Support Forum, is worth reading [disclaimer: I've got two posts in that thread so far, but that's not why I think it's worth looking at].
--
*Brian*

*Here is a test to find out whether your mission in life is complete. If you’re alive, it isn’t.*

~ Lauren Bacall


Re: Anti Virus

 

On Sat, Nov 19, 2016 at 08:00 am, Roger Stewart wrote:
Only caution I'd give is to do a manual check for updates several times a day as their virus database is updated several times a day but the program will only check itself once when you start the computer.

 I have not found this to be the case under Windows 10.  If you open Windows Defender you can see when the last virus definition update has taken place, and that's often very recent even when I've had my machine up and running for days.

This also wasn't the case, at least if I'm recalling correctly, under Windows 8.1 either.  It would make absolutely no sense for any modern antivirus program, and Windows Defender is one, to not auto-update its own definitions and, in fact, itself as new releases are released.
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Re: Anti Virus

 

I have seen virtually any antivirus or security suite you can name either praised to the high heavens or called almost completely useless.  It really depends on who's doing the reviewing and the metrics they're using.

As has been said here, and elsewhere, antivirus programs are not and should not be considered your first line of defense against infection.  Your own browsing habits play a far, far greater role in that.  Good browsing hygiene will keep you quite safe, if not 100% so.

If you have not been infected nor had whatever antivirus or security program you've been using report anything being quarantined in a very long time you can be reasonably certain that your browsing habits are OK.  If you're constantly infected or have things quarantined without actually having been infected it would be very wise to start looking at precisely when, how, and why this is happening.  Most infections are the direct result of user action, not some backdoor entry.

Windows Defender has proven more than adequate for more users on more machines than I can count at this point in my career.   Nothing is perfect, some competitors may be better, but Windows Defender is not even close to "junk".

This thread entitled, Windows Defender as an integral part of Windows 10, which just started yesterday on bleepingcomputer.com's Windows 10 Support Forum, is worth reading [disclaimer: I've got two posts in that thread so far, but that's not why I think it's worth looking at].
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Re: Anti Virus

 

Well to be honest if I ever upgrade from msse, I will either take sophos for their home 10 pc cloud protection and lowish prices.
Or vipre for their expensive 50 dollar unlimited lifetime protection licence.
I am not sure what way I want to go to be honest.
Cloud is nice while online, a lot of less stress on my system.
Also if I have a false positive and exclude it, its probably going to sync with my cloud account so hmmm will it matter that much.
On the other hand, who knows.

On 20/11/2016 5:14 a.m., William Sallander wrote:
I am currently using Vipre Internet Security; there are at least three
different flavors for home users.

I find it to be quite accessible and as far as I saw from reviews, it
was better then Defender.

Yes it is true that Windows Defender is very accessible, but when it
comes to updates, you need to play with the task scheduler within Windows.

As far as protection, it's just enough to keep you out of trouble on a
temperary basis, but as it stands now, I wouldn't make it the daily
driver. There has been some slight improvements so stay tuned.



On 11/19/2016 11:00 AM, Roger Stewart wrote:
I've been using Windows Defender. Only caution I'd give is to do a
manual check for updates several times a day as their virus database
is updated several times a day but the program will only check itself
once when you start the computer. This is probably why it seems to
have a bad reputation. They need to fix this so it will check by
itself every couple of hours.

Roger










On 11/18/2016 10:53 PM, Andrea Sherry wrote:
Using Windows10 Pro on 64 bit machine.

Tried a number of these: AVG, Avast, Mcaffee and others.

I have had problems with all including installation, preferences,
accessing menus etc.

Is there such a beast which allows NVDA to access during
installation, preferences and response to virus alerts? I'm not
really interested in any freeware though I don't want to pay the earth.

Any suggestions?

Cheers

Andrea





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Re: how do I find microsoft edge

Rosemarie Chavarria
 

Hi, Jim,


I already tried that. I had to end up calling the microsoft disability line and they changed my profile. Now edge works like a charm. Thanks very much for your help.


Rosemarie

On 11/19/2016 7:18 AM, The Gamages wrote:
Hello Rosemary,

This may sound daft but try typing "microsoft" into the search, it
brings up a list of stuff on my computer and edge is in it.



Best Regards, Jim.
-----Original Message-----
From: Rosemarie Chavarria
Sent: Friday, November 18, 2016 11:43 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] how do I find microsoft edge

I just tried that and it didn't work. I had my sighted nephew look at it
through team viewer and he said it's not on the computer at all. I
didn't do anything to it. This is a brand-new computer so I don't know
why edge wouldn't be on it.




On 11/18/2016 3:35 PM, David Griffith wrote:
This is a little surprising.

what I find is that after typing

just E and then D Microsoft Edge Recommended app is identified by
Windows as an option and just pressing enter runs it.

Try just typing E and then D rather than edge and see if that works
better.

David Griffith
On 18/11/2016 22:55, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:
Hi, everyone,


I tried typing edge in the start menu search bosx and hit enter but
edgedidn't show up. NVDA said the word but I can't find the actual
browser. Wanted to give it a try.


Thanks for your help in advance.


Rosemarie









Re: Connecting a Brailliant BI 40 to NVDA via bluetooth does not work.

Antony Stone
 

Ah, sorry, I didn't know this was a Windows 10 system,

Antony.

On Saturday 19 Nov 2016 at 17:25, Michel Such wrote:

Well, just seen that there is a ticket open on this, saying that this
driver does not work for bluetooth under Windows 10.

so let's hope it will be fixed.
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