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Re: mouse movement

David Moore
 

Hi,
The Golden Cursor is a NVDA add on that you can find on the add ons page. You just download it and press enter on it in your downloads folder and it installs to NvDA as an add on. To look and change your add ons, just press NVDA+N and go to the tools sub menu and press right arrow and go to manage add ons and press enter. You can arrow down through your add ons, and tab to get information on that addon. The key commands I gave for the Golden cursor are all there in the help section of the add on web page. You can find add ons in a number of places, but, you can go to this URL:
www.addons.nvda-project.org
Take care,
David Moore

-----Original Message-----
From: Ibrahim Ajayi
Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2016 9:31 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] mouse movement

Hello:
Thanks for the information.
What is the keystroke for the golden cursor. I'll very much like to
try it out.
Thanks.

On 11/20/16, Richard Kuzma via Groups.Io <rmkuzma=aol.com@groups.io> wrote:
There is an add in called golden cursor.

You will need sighted assistance to place the mouse where you want to mark.

Its been a while since I used it, so would have to review how it works.

Also, I took a usb mouse and covered the mouse part on the bottom that
tracks the pointer around and use it just for clicking on things,

This makes it very easy to use and you don't have to worry about moveing
the
pointer around when you don't want it to move.




Re: mouse movement

David Moore
 

Hi,
I love golden cursor and use it all of the time. You can press the arrow keys to move the mouse in that direction. You don’t need sighted assistance to mark places, because here is what you can do with the golden cursor. Press windows+NVDA+P to get the pixel position of where the mouse pointer is at. The default for most screens is 1,366 pixels across, and 768 pixels down. The left is 0 and the top is 0. The X position is given and then the Y position. For example, the start button is at the position: 24 748. In other words, the mouse pointer is 24 pixels to the right of the left edge of the screen, and 748 pixels down from the top. This is almost at the very bottom left corner of the screen. You can get a very good picture of where things are on the screen by pressing that command and finding out what pixel position things are on the screen. Now, to save a pixel position, press CTRL+NVDA+L. type in the X and Y numbers without a space, and then space and write what that position is, like start bottom, for example. In other words, you would type: 24748 start button. Just press enter, and you have saved that position on the screen just like a book marker. Now, to open a list of positions you have saved, just press shift+NvDA+L and arrow to the position and press enter. The mouse pointer will go right to that position. You can access places in programs only by doing this mouse pointer movement and clicking with the mouse. You can always read with the review cursor and use object navigation as well to get to a certain place, and press numb pad insert+numb pad slash to route the mouse pointer to the review cursor. The laptop position is shift+NVDA+M to do the routing. I would like to ask right here if any work is being done on Golden Cursor, because I think that is so powerful, because you can find the position the pointer is on the screen and save that position like a book mark. That is so powerful that it makes me jump up and down. You can use your mouse or touch pad like a sighted person by using the Golden Cursor. You can also go to ease of access center and set your computer to move the mouse pointer with the mum lock turned on instead of off to use NVDA commands.
David Moore
 
 

From: Richard Kuzma via Groups.Io
Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2016 8:07 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] mouse movement
 

There is an add in called golden cursor.

You will need sighted assistance to place the mouse where you want to mark.

Its been a while since I used it, so would have to review how it works.

Also, I took a usb mouse and covered the mouse part on the bottom that tracks the pointer around and use it just for clicking on things,

This makes it very easy to use and you don’t have to worry about moveing the pointer around when you don’t want it to move.

 


Re: Anti Virus

Pauline Smith
 

I also try to practice good and sound computer use.  I am skeptical about opening attachments and visit web sites with caution.  I do schedule my computer for full scanning weekly and may change that to daily.


This brings up a question.  For anyone using Security Essentials on a Windows 7 machine, how do you check to see if any items were quarantined, removed, and such after a scan?  I am using NVDA with the most recent update.


Pauline

        


On 11/19/2016 1:28 PM, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:

Hi, Arleen,


I try to be very careful about what sites I visit. My next-door neighbor told me that one time she had a virus and it totally destroyed her computer. I don't know how she got it but she had to end up getting a brand-new computer.


Rosemarie




On 11/19/2016 10:15 AM, Arlene wrote:

Also, if you visit sites. Even if you have IE or firefox or edge clean out the history. You may have to manually get rid of history.  Even though you have your virus scan up to date always clean your hystery.  I have my computer not remember passwords even though it asks.  If you are on sites you login always log out.  Sites like drop box or others.  Someone in the xp days told me to always log out and I always do it. 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: November-19-16 9:49 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Anti Virus

 

On Sat, Nov 19, 2016 at 08:00 am, Roger Stewart wrote:

Only caution I'd give is to do a manual check for updates several times a day as their virus database is updated several times a day but the program will only check itself once when you start the computer.

 I have not found this to be the case under Windows 10.  If you open Windows Defender you can see when the last virus definition update has taken place, and that's often very recent even when I've had my machine up and running for days.

This also wasn't the case, at least if I'm recalling correctly, under Windows 8.1 either.  It would make absolutely no sense for any modern antivirus program, and Windows Defender is one, to not auto-update its own definitions and, in fact, itself as new releases are released.
--
Brian

Here is a test to find out whether your mission in life is complete.  If you’re alive, it isn’t.

    ~ Lauren Bacall

    

 




Re: mouse movement

Gene
 

I don't have your original message any longer but here are my answers based on my recollection of the questions. 
 
First, there is a Windows command to move to the system tray.  It is Windows key b.  Insert b is an NVDA command that reads the currently active Window. 
 
But if you want to use something that is almost identical to the JAWS system tray dialog, there is an NVDA add on you can get that does this.  The command to open the system tray dialog when you use the add on is the same as in JAWS, insert f11.  You can use either insert.  Once opened, select an item in the list and tab around the dialog to see how things are organized and what short cut commands do what.  For example, you will hear that right click is alt r. 
 
As far as mouse movement is concerned, you may want to try using the golden cursor add on.  I haven't done so and I would very strongly urge you to learn NVDA screen review commands before deciding what you want to do about the golden Cursor add on.  When you know how to move around using screen review commands, you can move the mouse to the current place you are at when using screen review by issuing the command numpad insert numpad slash.  That is, hold the numpad insert and while doing so, press numpad slash.  It's the key to the right of the numpad.  If you then want to click the mouse, press numpad slash by itself. 
 
I am giving desktop keyboard layout commands for mouse commands.  I don't use the laptop layout and I don't know those commands. 
 
I would suggest that you listen to at least part of a good tutorial on NVdA, particularly topics dealing with screen review.  you may save yourself time, trouble, and frustration if you learn in an organized manner. 
 
I'll let other list members discuss tutorials.  Joseph Lee created a very good one.  If no one else gives the link, I'll look it up and give it.  Other list members may discuss other tutorials. 
 
If you don't learn well with tutorials but you do with material in the form of a manual, you may want to learn from the user guide.  But in my experience, most computer users much prefer tutorials so that's what I'm discussing in this message.
 
Gene


Re: mouse movement

Ibrahim Ajayi
 

Hello:
Thanks for the information.
What is the keystroke for the golden cursor. I'll very much like to
try it out.
Thanks.

On 11/20/16, Richard Kuzma via Groups.Io <rmkuzma=aol.com@groups.io> wrote:
There is an add in called golden cursor.

You will need sighted assistance to place the mouse where you want to mark.

Its been a while since I used it, so would have to review how it works.

Also, I took a usb mouse and covered the mouse part on the bottom that
tracks the pointer around and use it just for clicking on things,

This makes it very easy to use and you don't have to worry about moveing
the
pointer around when you don't want it to move.




Re: Questions

Rosemarie Chavarria
 

Hi,


I don't know about the mouse but the keystroke for going to the system tray is insert B.


Hope this helps somewhat.


Rosemarie

On 11/19/2016 4:54 PM, Ibrahim Ajayi wrote:
Hello good People:Please I'll like you to give me some tips on these
questions. Firstly, what is the NVDA keystroke for opening the system
tray of applications. Secondly, is there a way by which one can move
the mouse to a location without sighted assistance, that is for
programmes that don't have speech feedback.
Looking forward to your responses.
I am Ibrahim Ajayi from Nigeria.


Re: Questions

 

Ibrahim,

       I'm not sure whether this is what you want with regard to the system tray, but WinKey+B immediately throws focus on the system tray and you can then navigate to whatever you wish to that's in it quite easily.  You just have to remember that the overflow area, where things that are in the system tray but for which you have not elected to always show icon, is what you land on first.
--
Brian

Here is a test to find out whether your mission in life is complete.  If you’re alive, it isn’t.

    ~ Lauren Bacall

    



Re: Focus issue when opening MS Word

Pranav Lal
 

Hi Jacques,

I wish I knew what it was about my system which is causing the problem. I have posted a log dump and I hope someone will tell me what is failing.

Pranav

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Jacques
Sent: Thursday, November 17, 2016 5:12 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Focus issue when opening MS Word

Hi Pranav

Interesting, it would seem that system specific factors may have an influence on this behaviour. Occasionally Word opens just fine here without me having to force focus. I'm running Office 365 on my home systems, but have seen the same behaviour on my work laptop where Office
2013 is installed. I also get this in Excel, but once again, only occasionally. I do not experience this focus issue with any other applications though.


Jacques

On Thursday, 17 November 2016 12:30, Pranav Lal wrote:
Hi Jacques,

No go. I tried hitting the alt key after switching to winword but pressing the alt key several times in quick succession did nothing.

Pranav

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Jacques
Sent: Wednesday, November 16, 2016 11:26 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Focus issue when opening MS Word

I think it was Pranav Lal who recently posted about a focus issue when opening MS Word. I also experience this occasionally. The window title reports "winword" and the NVDA hot key, NVDA+control+F1 confirms that "winword.exe" is the active application. I believe this issue will be looked into by the devs in due course, but in the interim I find that pressing and releasing the alt key in quick succession forces focus to the opened document.

HTH

--
Jacques







mouse movement

Richard Kuzma
 

There is an add in called golden cursor.

You will need sighted assistance to place the mouse where you want to mark.

Its been a while since I used it, so would have to review how it works.

Also, I took a usb mouse and covered the mouse part on the bottom that tracks the pointer around and use it just for clicking on things,

This makes it very easy to use and you don’t have to worry about moveing the pointer around when you don’t want it to move.

 


Questions

Ibrahim Ajayi
 

Hello good People:Please I'll like you to give me some tips on these
questions. Firstly, what is the NVDA keystroke for opening the system
tray of applications. Secondly, is there a way by which one can move
the mouse to a location without sighted assistance, that is for
programmes that don't have speech feedback.
Looking forward to your responses.
I am Ibrahim Ajayi from Nigeria.


Re: Anti Virus

 

On Sat, Nov 19, 2016 at 04:21 pm, Roger Stewart wrote:
This just isn't true of Defender at all!  I started my machine at 9:57 AM this morning and it got updates to Defender.  I just checked a few minutes ago, and it got a definition update again and it said that update was created at 10:32 AM

 And?   There are often periods where no new definitions are released for 24 hours or more, sometimes much more, depending on the number of new threats identified.  That doesn't mean that Windows Defender (and every other self-updating scanner) hasn't checked, it just means that there's nothing there.

You do not need to manually update the virus definitions on ANY modern antivirus.  If you persist in believing otherwise then be my guest.
--
Brian

Here is a test to find out whether your mission in life is complete.  If you’re alive, it isn’t.

    ~ Lauren Bacall

    



Re: Anti Virus

Gene
 

If this is true, it is a disadvantage but for most users, it will make little difference.  If you are unfortunate enough to come in contact with malware very shortly after release, that is, within one day, you would be more likely to be infected.  Most users aren't exposed to new malware that quickly.  While it's better to get frequent updates during the day, most users are not at significantly more danger if they don't. 
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2016 6:21 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Anti Virus

This just isn't true of Defender at all!  I started my machine at 9:57 AM this morning and it got updates to Defender.  I just checked a few minutes ago, and it got a definition update again and it said that update was created at 10:32 AM.  So I was running an out of date definition database for many hours today.  This is a real problem and needs to be addressed by Microsoft.

Roger







On 11/19/2016 2:47 PM, enes sarıbaş wrote:

hi,

The antivirus I use, avira, has an automatic task to check for updates every 2 hours.


On 11/19/2016 8:48 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:
On Sat, Nov 19, 2016 at 08:00 am, Roger Stewart wrote:
Only caution I'd give is to do a manual check for updates several times a day as their virus database is updated several times a day but the program will only check itself once when you start the computer.

 I have not found this to be the case under Windows 10.  If you open Windows Defender you can see when the last virus definition update has taken place, and that's often very recent even when I've had my machine up and running for days.

This also wasn't the case, at least if I'm recalling correctly, under Windows 8.1 either.  It would make absolutely no sense for any modern antivirus program, and Windows Defender is one, to not auto-update its own definitions and, in fact, itself as new releases are released.
--
Brian

Here is a test to find out whether your mission in life is complete.  If you’re alive, it isn’t.

    ~ Lauren Bacall

    





Re: Anti Virus

Roger Stewart
 

This just isn't true of Defender at all!  I started my machine at 9:57 AM this morning and it got updates to Defender.  I just checked a few minutes ago, and it got a definition update again and it said that update was created at 10:32 AM.  So I was running an out of date definition database for many hours today.  This is a real problem and needs to be addressed by Microsoft.

Roger







On 11/19/2016 2:47 PM, enes sarıbaş wrote:

hi,

The antivirus I use, avira, has an automatic task to check for updates every 2 hours.


On 11/19/2016 8:48 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:
On Sat, Nov 19, 2016 at 08:00 am, Roger Stewart wrote:
Only caution I'd give is to do a manual check for updates several times a day as their virus database is updated several times a day but the program will only check itself once when you start the computer.

 I have not found this to be the case under Windows 10.  If you open Windows Defender you can see when the last virus definition update has taken place, and that's often very recent even when I've had my machine up and running for days.

This also wasn't the case, at least if I'm recalling correctly, under Windows 8.1 either.  It would make absolutely no sense for any modern antivirus program, and Windows Defender is one, to not auto-update its own definitions and, in fact, itself as new releases are released.
--
Brian

Here is a test to find out whether your mission in life is complete.  If you’re alive, it isn’t.

    ~ Lauren Bacall

    





Re: Anti Virus

Roger Stewart
 

Watch out for messages saying Delivery Status and delayed or failure. I've been getting these for the past 5 days and they aren't related in any way to any messages I've sent as they've all gotten through and I see them on these lists or the person I sent them to has replied. These must be some kind of scam or contain malware. I just delete them without opening them at all.

Roger

On 11/19/2016 4:26 PM, Antony Stone wrote:
So how come we still keep seeing so many emails with Javascript (often ZIPped)
attachments, which would try to install cryptolocker-style malware onto our
machines?

If it's an "almost guaranteed failure", then the spammers / malware-spreaders
would have moved on to something else by now - after all, they only do what
they get a benefit from.


Antony.

On Saturday 19 Nov 2016 at 22:12, Brian Vogel wrote:

Trying to spread something by e-mail attachment is an almost guaranteed
failure.


Re: Anti Virus

 

On Sat, Nov 19, 2016 at 02:26 pm, Antony Stone wrote:
If it's an "almost guaranteed failure", then the spammers / malware-spreaders
would have moved on to something else by now - after all, they only do what
they get a benefit from.

 Because "almost guaranteed" isn't "guaranteed."

Anyone who's got any sort of modern antivirus at all is virtually guaranteed to be safe from this sort of stuff.   That there are untold millions without any antivirus or who have paid antivirus programs for which they've ignored many prompts about the need to renew cannot be doubted - at least not if you do this for a living like I do (partly) and have been slack-jawed that some people are so cavalier and/or stupid.

I don't know what benefit most malware developers get other than kicks.  So much of it, though not anywhere near to all, isn't trying to steal anything nor is it ransomware.  At least I understand why those trying for identity theft or blackmail are doing this for, the others are even more twisted as far as I'm concerned.
--
Brian

Here is a test to find out whether your mission in life is complete.  If you’re alive, it isn’t.

    ~ Lauren Bacall

    



Re: Anti Virus

Antony Stone
 

So how come we still keep seeing so many emails with Javascript (often ZIPped)
attachments, which would try to install cryptolocker-style malware onto our
machines?

If it's an "almost guaranteed failure", then the spammers / malware-spreaders
would have moved on to something else by now - after all, they only do what
they get a benefit from.


Antony.

On Saturday 19 Nov 2016 at 22:12, Brian Vogel wrote:

Trying to spread something by e-mail attachment is an almost guaranteed
failure.
--
Never automate fully anything that does not have a manual override capability.
Never design anything that cannot work under degraded conditions in emergency.

Please reply to the list;
please *don't* CC me.


Re: Publishing EBooks with NVDA?

Gene
 

Another member of this list explained how to get the Drop Box application to run with Xp even though it isn't supposed to any longer.  I tried the procedure and it works.
Here is my recollection of the procedure.
When you run Drop Box, you will be asked to sign in and you will hear a short cut command.  Execute that command. 
I believe your default browser opens to the log in page.  Whatever opens, log in.
You can then use Drop Box as previously.  You don't have to keep logging in.  I did this procedure once and after some synchronization by the application, things were back to normal again.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
From: Joe Paton
Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2016 1:50 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Publishing EBooks with NVDA?

Hello David,

dropbox works on windows above xp, and maybe even vista is out of the loop these days.

Running either of those operating systems, you must go on line to manage your dropbox folders.  But the desktop app is fine on
seven, eight.1 and 10.  The web site offers a few challenges, but
can be managed just about.

I know nothing of e-books publishing, or e-books desktop apps,
other than Kindle.

Can't comment on one drive or google drive either.
But messages i have seen, suggest that both will have their
problems, but these can be overcome.

If you are wanting to back-up, take a look at carbonite.

https://www.carbonite.com/
good luck.

J.P





On Sat, 19 Nov 2016 13:20:41 -0500
"David Russell" <david.sonofhashem@...> wrote:

Hello NVDA group,
Websites like www.daisy.org highly recommend author Dave Gunn's
"Accessible eBook Guidelines ....." (title snipped). Have you found
accessibility and or compatibility with major eBook publishing
programs used with a screen reader to be a real, major, challenge or
hurtle?

This question is more for those with no vision or very limited vision.

Alongside that, Dropbox may work well with IOS devices compared to
desktops or laptops, but what cloud portals work well with desktops
and laptops?

Thanks for your input.

--
David Russell
david.sonofhashem@...







Re: Anti Virus

 

On Sat, Nov 19, 2016 at 02:01 pm, Gene wrote:
Opening an attachment often automatically causes it to be executed. 
 
Gene

. . .

Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2016 2:45 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Anti Virus

hi gene,

opening the attachment isn't a problem. Executing the file is. I recieved a spam mail that contained a malicious javascript enclosed in a zip file.  My antivirus, avira, missed it. When I uploaded it to virustotal, I was the first one to upload it and only 2 antiviruses caught it.

And this again points up a number of the things I've been saying.

These days issues with infected attachments are few and far between because either the e-mail provider (e.g. Gmail), the individual user's antivirus/security suite, or both scan attachments before the end user can ever even get access to them and will remove them if they are determined to be infected.  Trying to spread something by e-mail attachment is an almost guaranteed failure.

The comment by Enes simply reinforces my point that if a particular piece of malicious software is new enough that it is not always going to be detected by any particular individual security scanner.  Depending on the timing of sample submissions, speed of analysis, timing of suites updating their definitions, etc., can determine whether something is quarantined or not.

Automatic execution of attachments is generally turned off these days by default because it had been so problematic in the early days as well.
--
Brian

Here is a test to find out whether your mission in life is complete.  If you’re alive, it isn’t.

    ~ Lauren Bacall

    



Re: Anti Virus

Gene
 

Opening an attachment often automatically causes it to be executed. 
 
Gene

Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2016 2:45 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Anti Virus

hi gene,

opening the attachment isn't a problem. Executing the file is. I recieved a spam mail that contained a malicious javascript enclosed in a zip file.  My antivirus, avira, missed it. When I uploaded it to virustotal, I was the first one to upload it and only 2 antiviruses caught it.


On 11/19/2016 9:03 PM, Gene wrote:
No matter how careful you are, you can still be infected, even by going to reputable sites if those sites are hacked or if the advertising on those sites is hacked.  Yes, people should follow good safety procedures.  but that does not minimize the need or usefulness of good antimalware programs. 
 
And no matter how careful you are, what about the moment of inattention.  I'm very careful about not opening attachments.  but even so, there was one time in perhaps fifteen years or longer, that I wasn't really thinking much about what I was doing and opened an attachment that came from a message that looked as though it was from someone I knew.  If I had been paying proper attention, I wouldn't have done so but the point is that unless you are sure that you will always be paying proper attention from now until you stop using computers, there is always a small or very small chance for error.  I've seen techs or techies minimize the importance of antimalware programs.  Frankly, I consider this to be the overconfidence of knowledge.  I believe that safety is the lesson of knowledge and experience.
 
Genee
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2016 11:52 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Anti Virus

I agree, the first point of security should be your head.
Next I'd use something like firefox with better privacy for flash
cookies, ublock for adds, and noscript for scripts.
That way if you click malware it may not run.
To be honest I have been tempted to get more passive protection that
gets stuff before it handles things.



On 20/11/2016 6:44 a.m., Brian Vogel wrote:
> I have seen virtually any antivirus or security suite you can name either praised to the high heavens or called almost completely useless.  It really depends on who's doing the reviewing and the metrics they're using.
>
> As has been said here, and elsewhere, antivirus programs are not and should not be considered your first line of defense against infection.  Your own browsing habits play a far, far greater role in that.  Good browsing hygiene will keep you quite safe, if not 100% so.
>
> If you have not been infected nor had whatever antivirus or security program you've been using report anything being quarantined in a very long time you can be reasonably certain that your browsing habits are OK.  If you're constantly infected or have things quarantined without actually having been infected it would be very wise to start looking at precisely when, how, and why this is happening.  Most infections are the direct result of user action, not some backdoor entry.
>
> Windows Defender has proven more than adequate for more users on more machines than I can count at this point in my career.   Nothing is perfect, some competitors may be better, but Windows Defender is not even close to "junk".
>
> This thread entitled, Windows Defender as an integral part of Windows 10 ( http://www.bleepingcomputer.com/forums/t/632487/windows-defender-as-integral-part-of-windows-10/ ) , which just started yesterday on bleepingcomputer.com's Windows 10 Support Forum, is worth reading [disclaimer: I've got two posts in that thread so far, but that's not why I think it's worth looking at].
> --
> *Brian*
>
> *Here is a test to find out whether your mission in life is complete.  If you’re alive, it isn’t.*
>
>    ~ Lauren Bacall
>




Re: Anti Virus

 

Well just for the heck of it I googled the question this is the first answer I got.
http://askbobrankin.com/can_a_virus_really_destroy_your_hard_drive.html
Now viruses are not the most destructive things that can go wrong.
Ransomware is a little higher but the worst viruses are those that have configured or have misconfigured systems.
People assume that the default is good and it may not be.
Often when I have recieved a system for maintaining I go through their programs list, malware scan the system, update drivers and bios then ask about them what is this, what is it used for.
9 times out of 10 I get, a site told me it was good, or a friend told me it was good or it came from the system, or I couldn't afford program x and the x place said I needed y z program and I can't buy it so I had to crack it and now I have a virus or something so I loeded 20 programs to get rid of it.
Firstly, if someone is telling you you need x program you probably do.
You can probably get round with another program unless you need the spaciffic functionality, look at microsoft office.
Yes I'd like it, no I don't need it.
True I loose outlook but I have thunderbird, firefox, openoffice and others, I have jarte for my word processer, etc, etc.
Next, While there are a lot of bad hackers out there, a lot are actually putting those skills to good use, for as many comercial programs out there there is probably an opensource app which may do some if not all the functions or bits.
In the beginning I had a professional cd creating program, I couldn't afford it so like most of us in the 90s I cracked it.
Later on with all the crazyness going round I looked for what I needed.
Goldwave cost me 40 bucks but had a cd extracter in it.
I got a reasonably expensive ocr solution and also a video converter suite.
I have a free youtube software on top of that and a free cd creation program, and there are other ways.
I had winzip for ages because it was the best but I always had to get past the reg screen so I hacked that.
Now after it became inaccessible I use 7zip which does the same thing but is faster.
You don't always find what you want especially when a free program goes bust sometimes but there are ways to get round as long as you can throw the bulky suite away and use 5 different modules.
You have to adapt.
Next if you get it came with the system.
Then read the forking manual, search it online and you will probably find that most of what it came with the system crap is just crap.
And if not it needs to be configured or it can be removed if absolutely not needed.
There are bits of crap I choose to leave on my system that control sensors and power and the like but I know I could have done with the minimal.
The only things you really need are the drivers for your core pc devices, prodcessers, video, sound and thats it.
Storage is good, and your usb ports.
Over that sensors if they have anything maybe network cards and utilities for the sensors.
If you are a hunking programmer or a guy that wants to fiddle with his bits then install the big utility suite, and some extras.
And if you want the backup program and like it install and buy that.
If you don't mind the games install those and whatever.
If you are in a business and can use accessibly the remote app and the other sharing use them.
Most users won't need that stuff.
You will never need the office trials, the wild tangent games or the outdated programs, trials and other junk installed on a system.
If someone said I heard it from a friend or a site, I usually look at it myself.
Now if its a friend and you know they used it and it was good fine but even so.
Its like the person that says windows10 made my system not work and so I will sue ms because I had to buy another one.
The only time that happens with me or those I maintain is if the system is so old, fixing it would end up with it probably failing later and so I push for a replacement or modification.
Maybe I shouldn't bother fixing systems maybe I should buy some ransomware that basically says your files are encripted because your computer is broken, please give me 5000 dollars to buy you another one.
I wander how many would fall for it.
I suspect a lot.
Its a shame we a re so gullable!!!

On 20/11/2016 7:37 a.m., Gene wrote:
I don't know if any malware can physically damage a computer. Most malware doesn't. it may do all sorts of things you don't want it to do but physically destroying your computer is the least of the worries associated with malware. I don't know anything about your neighbor's knowledge of computers but a high degree of skepticism should be maintained regarding what people tell you unless they have proven records of knowledge and reliability. There is an enormous amount of misinformation constantly being circulated regarding computers and related matters.

Gene
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From: Rosemarie Chavarria
Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2016 12:28 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Anti Virus


Hi, Arleen,




I try to be very careful about what sites I visit. My next-door neighbor told me that one time she had a virus and it totally destroyed her computer. I don't know how she got it but she had to end up getting a brand-new computer.




Rosemarie









On 11/19/2016 10:15 AM, Arlene wrote:

Also, if you visit sites. Even if you have IE or firefox or edge clean out the history. You may have to manually get rid of history. Even though you have your virus scan up to date always clean your hystery. I have my computer not remember passwords even though it asks. If you are on sites you login always log out. Sites like drop box or others. Someone in the xp days told me to always log out and I always do it.



From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: November-19-16 9:49 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Anti Virus



On Sat, Nov 19, 2016 at 08:00 am, Roger Stewart wrote:

Only caution I'd give is to do a manual check for updates several times a day as their virus database is updated several times a day but the program will only check itself once when you start the computer.

I have not found this to be the case under Windows 10. If you open Windows Defender you can see when the last virus definition update has taken place, and that's often very recent even when I've had my machine up and running for days.

This also wasn't the case, at least if I'm recalling correctly, under Windows 8.1 either. It would make absolutely no sense for any modern antivirus program, and Windows Defender is one, to not auto-update its own definitions and, in fact, itself as new releases are released.
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Brian

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